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[Mis_TR_Like]

How is the Egyptian Air Force able to operate its fleet of mixed origin?

It’s rare to witness an air force flying fighter jets and helicopters of different origins, but Egypt operates aircraft from Russia, China, the United States and European nations.

www.c4isrnet.com

 

[Philip the Arab]

Don't the Indians do the same? They have many different types of aircraft from many different countries in their inventories.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Don't the Indians do the same? They have many different types of aircraft from many different countries in their inventories.

Yes. I think both nation's have bought from both east and west for either political reasons or to get the best deal. Interesting to see how they will use these systems together.

The way I see it, India sees the purchase of foreign equipment as a temporary thing, until they are fully capable of producing everything including 5th/6th generation jets. Egypt on the other hand will probably continue to try and implement solutions which will make all their assets fully interoperable. As it is not feasible for Egypt to produce a next generation fighter jet, they will install systems which will make their fleet as coherent as possible. Very interested to see how this look.

 

[Ryder]

Yes. I think both nation's have bought from both east and west for either political reasons or to get the best deal. Interesting to see how they will use these systems together.

The way I see it, India sees the purchase of foreign equipment as a temporary thing, until they are fully capable of producing everything including 5th/6th generation jets. Egypt on the other hand will probably continue to try and implement solutions which will make all their assets fully interoperable.

Quite a nightmare too. A pilot good with a MIG does not mean his good with F16s or French jets.

 

[Amun]

first of all ... this is not a new thing for the Egyptian Army .... this weapon diversification started 40 years ago ...

the Egyptian philosophy of this diversification .... is not to rely solely in one country or axis ( East or West ) .... to get some sort of independence .

although the fully integration of the different systems is some challenging .... but you have to know that Egypt has developed domes IFF system for all its weapons 20 years ago .... and continue to develop it .

 

[ekemenirtu]

Complete independence in weapons industry remains a mirage, a dream, for many countries.

Only a few countries, which are big enough, upwards of 500 million people may be, are able to pull it off.

Ultimately, the single most important criterion is the size of a country's population.

Smaller countries, or medium sized countries, are bound to be less powerful in the grander scheme of things. Ceteris paribus. Holding other factors constant.

Since all countries in the Middle East, Balkans, Central Asia, Caucasus or North Africa are small countries, you get the result you see.

Much bigger countries from outside can come in and do anything they want.

Population, population, population.

It's all about population.

 

[Reviewbrah]

This is just to give an brief idea without writing an essay

Egypt Air Force (EAF) is very logistically complex as there is so many aircraft from different origin. Lack of standardization is a big issue as Egypt wouldn't be able to use the aircraft to their potential.

Egypt is has the 4th largest F16 fleet yet one of the least capable, mainly due to not having AIM-120 and lack of modernization. Egyptian F16 currently depend on AIM-7 for beyond visual range (BVR) missiles. Lacks new electronic systems such as AESA radars and electronic warfare suites. Limited number of external fuel tank capable aircraft.

EAF Mirage 2000's are not modernized.

EAF Mig 29s looks to be much more capable than EAF's F16s. If they have AESA/PESA radars and modern electronic warfare suite (very likely export variants). R-77 is the Russian equivalent of AIM-120. Indian Air Force did not have good experiences with R-77 and wants to replace them with I-Derby. Egypt also lost 2 Mig-29s since their delivery starting 2017. Raising questions about their maintenance quality.

Dassault Rafale is the most capable aircraft Egypt has. AESA radar, Electronic Warfare Suite, and IRST sensor etc. EAF Rafale's use MICA missiles not Meteor. Unless Egypt acquires Meteor or/and more Rafale aircraft. Lack of BVR missiles and number aircraft will be the limiting factor.

Egypt is buying Su-35s but considering that it will not have early warning system support and will use R-77 which prevents Su-35s from becoming a serious threat also not to forget it will be export version.

Egypt has 7 E-2C Hawkeye. It was last modernized back in 2007. How capable they are and if they could be operated together with F16's and other western aircraft like Rafale is a question.

Egypt also lacks tanker aircraft.

 

[adenl]

Against the IAF, the Egyptians are outranged and outgunned by the more superior AIM-120C vs the R-77 and MICA. The recent acquisitions of the Russian and French fighters have not tipped the balance in favor of Egypt. And with the induction of the F-35 in the IAF, that won't change anytime soon.

 

[Nilgiri]

Air Forces Of India, Egypt Conduct Two-Day Joint Exercise

Air forces of India and Egypt conducted a two-day exercise at the latter's El Berigat airbase to enhance mutual understanding and share operational experience, an official statement said on Tuesday.

www.ndtv.com

New Delhi:
Air forces of India and Egypt conducted a two-day exercise at the latter's El Berigat airbase to enhance mutual understanding and share operational experience, an official statement said on Tuesday.

The exercise, called "Desert Warrior", was conducted on October 30 and October 31, the Indian Air Force (IAF) said on Twitter.

In December 2019, then Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria had visited Egypt and met Air Marshal Mohamed Abbas Helmy, the Commander-in-Chief of Egypt Air Force, to boost cooperation between the two services.

Comments"The IAF and Egyptian Air Force participated in Exercise Desert Warrior conducted at El Berigat Air Base, Egypt from 30-31 Oct 2021. It enhanced mutual understanding and provided an opportunity to share valuable operational experience," the IAF noted on Twitter.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455532707648348168

 

[Manomed]

India has BVR missiles Unlike egyptians.

 

[Nilgiri]

Some footage of the exercise:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455938747661496323

Where did all the egyptian and allied arab members go lately? wakey wakey @Philip the Arab @Gamal @ANGMAR et al.

 

[iceream]

India has BVR missiles Unlike egyptians.

Meaning?

 

[Manomed]

Meaning?

Indians are better

 

[Philip the Arab]

Some footage of the exercise:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455938747661496323

Where did all the egyptian and allied arab members go lately? wakey wakey @Philip the Arab @Gamal @ANGMAR et al.

Been busy with school unfortunately but I'm going to get more active soon.

 

[HTurk]

Been busy with school unfortunately but I'm going to get more active soon.

Good for you. Your education is more important

 

[Vergennes]

(Saint-Cloud, France, November 15, 2021) – The contract for the acquisition by Egypt of 30 additional Rafales to equip its air force came into force.

Announced on 4 May, this contract completes the first acquisition of 24 Rafales, signed in 2015, and will bring to 54 the number of Rafales operated by the Egyptian Air Force, the second in the world, after the French Air Force, to operate such a fleet of Rafales.


It sets a new milestone in the strategic partnership between Egypt and France, and strengthens the historical ties forged with Dassault Aviation for nearly fifty years. It also demonstrates the satisfaction of the Egyptian authorities with the smooth execution of the first contract. Finally, it confirms the technological and operational excellence of the Rafale and its export success.


“In a demanding geopolitical context, Egypt has chosen the Rafale to ensure its role as a key player in the regional and international arena, in full sovereignty. This is an honour for Dassault Aviation and its partners, who are fully committed to meeting the expectations of the Egyptian authorities,” said Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation.

Rafale Contract for Egypt comes into force - Press kits

The contract for the acquisition by Egypt of 30 additional Rafales to equip its air force came into force. © Dassault Aviation - A. Pecchi

www.dassault-aviation.com

 

[Gamal]

Some footage of the exercise:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455938747661496323

Where did all the egyptian and allied arab members go lately? wakey wakey @Philip the Arab @Gamal @ANGMAR et al.

Yes i saw this news

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes i saw this news

Welcome back to forum buddy. Lets hear more news from egypt as you can provide for us

 

[Isa Khan]

PHILADELPHIA, Jan. 3, 2023 — The U.S. Army has awarded Boeing [NYSE: BA] a contract to produce 12 new CH-47F Chinooks for the Egyptian Air Force. With this $426 million foreign military sale, Egypt will replace its fleet of CH-47D aircraft with the modern F model, and benefit from its advanced multi-mission capabilities.

“The F-model aircraft will enhance Egypt’s Chinook capabilities and help effectively accomplish its heavy-lift objectives,” said Ken Eland, vice president and H-47 program manager. “Boeing’s partnership with the Egyptian Air Force remains strong as we continue to work together to modernize their fleet.”

The CH-47F is an advanced multi-mission helicopter for the U.S. Army and international defense forces. It contains a fully integrated, digital cockpit management system, Common Avionics Architecture System cockpit and advanced cargo-handling capabilities complementing the aircraft's mission performance and handling characteristics.

“Boeing is committed to supporting the defense modernization mission of the Egyptian armed forces and ensuring the best capability for Egypt’s national defense and security,” added Vince Logsdon, vice president, Boeing International Business Development.

Team Chinook is led by the U.S. Army, who with 19 allied international customers, collectively operate a fleet of more than 950 aircraft.

Egypt Purchases New Boeing CH-47F Chinooks to Modernize Fleet

PHILADELPHIA, Dec. XX, 2022 — The U.S. Army has awarded Boeing [NYSE: BA] a contract to produce X new CH-47F Chinooks for the Egyptian Air Force. With this $426 million foreign military sale,...

boeing.mediaroom.com

 

[Gamal]

The Egyptian CH-47 Chinook

Originally manufactured as model BV-219 Chinooks by Augusta in Italy, these year 2000 photographs show the Iran/Egypt C model equivalents sporting metal rotor blades, a desert sand paint scheme, and a less than ideal state of repair.

Note the square devices around the landing gear. These are rodent boots designed to prevent rats are other creatures from climbing up into the aircraft. Rodents tend to chew on the electrical wiring wreaking havoc with the various aircraft systems.

The Chinooks shown above were manufactured by Elicopteri Meridionali, in Frosinone, Italy. Originally destined for the Imperial Iranian Air Force (IIAF), they were never delivered as a result of the fall of the Shah of Iran in 1979. The Egyptian Air Force purchased 15 of these helicopters and placed them into service with their Air Force in 1981. Elicopteri Meridionali was a part of the Agusta group, which eventually solely used the name Agusta. Under the terms of their licensing arrangement with Boeing, Agusta was to sell CH-47C helicopters in the Mediterranean and in the Middle East, so they supplied Chinooks to Egypt, Greece, Libya and Morocco. The first batch of 20 CH-47C's Augusta produced were destined for Iran. However, what became of those initial aircraft was uncertain because, after the fall of the Shah of Iran, the Iranian government was in a state of turmoil and communication with knowledgeable people inside the country was all but lost and remained so for many years afterward.