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Yeah good luck with TB-2 shooting a balloon at 60k feet altitude with an air to ground missile...
wasn't Baykar discussing giving the TB-2 air-to-air capabilities to shoot down Russian drones?

my point is that it is extremely stupid to develop a 4 gen fighter aircraft in order to do stupid things like shooting down balloons, especially when there are cheaper alternatives that can do the job.

even after the TB2 is removed from the equation, there is Akıncı, Kızılelma, and Hurjet light attack Turkey doesn't need a 4th gen fighter that will suck up millions of dollars in development and even more in upkeep so that the fighter is ready just in case there is ever a balloon to shoot down.
 

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wasn't Baykar discussing giving the TB-2 air-to-air capabilities to shoot down Russian drones?

my point is that it is extremely stupid to develop a 4 gen fighter aircraft in order to do stupid things like shooting down balloons, especially when there are cheaper alternatives that can do the job.

even after the TB2 is removed from the equation, there is Akıncı, Kızılelma, and Hurjet light attack Turkey doesn't need a 4th gen fighter that will suck up millions of dollars in development and even more in upkeep so that the fighter is ready just in case there is ever a balloon to shoot down.
Well the exsample of a balloon was only half serious, you gotta factor in the maintainance cost of a fighter like TFX, its way higher per flight hour than that of a F-16 class jet.
Drones such as TB-2 are limited in speed, payload capacity and altitute so we will still need fighters in forseeable future.

There is a reason why the US was operating F-18, F-15 and F-16 simultaniously for so many decades, the reason is there is no single perfect fighter for every role.
 

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An FA Hürjet like KAI did with T-50->FA-50 could be thought about, of course. Not necessarily for our needs as well. Let's wait for her to do her first flight and garner a few thousand miles first before going into variants tho.

Malaysia bought 18 FA-50s for 50mil each while Philippines paid 35mil each for 12. These trainer converted fighters by their nature are cheap, and they sell rather well.
 

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An FA Hürjet like KAI did with T-50->FA-50 could be thought about, of course. Not necessarily for our needs as well. Let's wait for her to do her first flight and garner a few thousand miles first before going into variants tho.

Malaysia bought 18 FA-50s for 50mil each while Philippines paid 35mil each for 12. These trainer converted fighters by their nature are cheap, and they sell rather well.

Poland bought FA50 because the Yanks or LM did not want to sell them F16, instead pushed them buy more F35.

 

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Poland would also be a natural customer for F-16Vs but didn't see the need or found the costs too high, they opted for FA-50s instead. Add to that, PZL makes parts for F-16s, they'd get a nice offset deal on top. Maybe you don't need F-16Vs when you already have the best US has for sale.
 

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Poland bought FA50 because the Yanks or LM did not want to sell them F16, instead pushed them buy more F35.

No, LM is always in favor of selling the F-16 to the Poles and the US government doesn't have a problem with that. The only peoblem here was the long backlog which meant no deliveries of new F-16Vs at least until late 2020s if you order them now.

They are also planning to upgrade their pre-existing F-16s to block 70/72 specification.
 

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I think our hi-lo mix in manned jets is going to be hi-legacy for a while. We modernize many F-16s and they should be able to work until the 2040s for the ROI of that investment to make sense. 20 years from now we can much more easily design a new low-type plane.
 

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Supersonic missile and ramjet engine projects from the last interview of TÜBİTAK SAGE Director Gürcan Okumuş;

🖊️ Studies have been carried out for a long time to eliminate surface heating problems such as aerodynamic heating encountered in high-speed missiles.


🖊️High temperature resistant composite coatings minimize the effect of heating encountered in missiles, thanks to their ablative properties. Relevant materials and processes have been produced in-house and are ready for production.

🖊️Ramjet engine project was launched in 2018. And several prototypes were built and tested.
🖊️ With Ramjet engine technology, an important barrier will be left behind in tactical class missiles with supersonic cruise speed.

Within the scope of the Ramjet engine project, many of the obstacles in technologies such as aerothermodynamics, material and fuel feeding have been removed. Valuable know how was obtained.


Trisonic wind tunnel project;
🖊️It is aimed to be operational by the end of 2024.
🖊️With the facility, tests can be made from 0.2 mach speeds to subsonic-high subsonic and supersonic speeds.

🖊️The test room will be the 3rd facility in the world with the dimensions of 1.5m x 1.5m, of this size, of blown type. It is said to be the most advanced facility in the world. The designs of all aerodynamic and mechanical equipment of the tunnel have been completed.


🖊️Factory acceptance tests for the tunnel's compressor and air conditioning system will be carried out within 1 month.

Development of hypersonic missiles and Scramjet engine technologies;
🖊️Prototype development and testing activities continue at the laboratory level.

🖊️ Studies are carried out on high temperature resistant ceramic materials, nano-doped composite materials, insulation and coating technologies (coatings such as thermal barrier, ablative) for hypersonic missiles.

Information KARABASAN
@kimlikci_954 I took it from your friend's twitter and translated it.
 

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Remove the cockpit and replace it with control and communication avionics developed for ANKA systems, plus a 30 mm autocannon under the fuselage and about 500 rounds. In addition, two LAU pods for about 30 rockets and optionally two Sungur pods: a full CAS UCAV can be created, with high speed and high angle of attack at low altitude on a scale that other UAVs cannot reach. Mini warthog, in an unmanned way.
 

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Ismail Demir: The plane accompanying HÜRJET on the first flight was ÖZGÜR Blok 30. While HÜRJET was flying, there was something 'new'... ÖZGÜR was flying beside it.”

Footage of the flight:

Stating that mass production has started in the ÖZGÜR Project for the modernization of F-16 Block 30 warplanes, President Demir said, “Block 40 and Block 50 are currently on target. We took their decisions and started the work.”

Source:
 

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Remove the cockpit and replace it with control and communication avionics developed for ANKA systems, plus a 30 mm autocannon under the fuselage and about 500 rounds. In addition, two LAU pods for about 30 rockets and optionally two Sungur pods: a full CAS UCAV can be created, with high speed and high angle of attack at low altitude on a scale that other UAVs cannot reach. Mini warthog, in an unmanned way.

Great idea to have in mind, but I think today’s operational cost-benefit analysis would render such concept practically useless.
 

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It seems MMU is named TF-23 İstikbal (translates as future). It is a reference to the famous words of Atatürk. İstikbal göklerdedir (The future is in the skies).

Whats interesting too Ataturk actually had a natural fear of planes.

When serving as an Ottoman officer in France. Planes were showcased as the next big thing in warfare.

He witnessed a plane crash that pretty much scarred him.

Lets not forget this was before world war 1 and planes at the time were still in their infancy with lots of crashes and high rates mortality in wars and in testing.

Still despite this he saw planes as the future.
 

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