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Unmanned Hürkuş-C.
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Where are the weapon pods? Am I being arrogant? 😅THX a lot
 
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Unmanned Hürkuş-C.
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Why go through the trouble of removing the canopy and making the air-frame a totally different one that needs to be optimized with its new shape. It is best to keep the aerodynamics of the airplane intact and just remove the ejection seat that is heavy and install communication equipment and autopilot. This way they can be reverted to their original function when need be. Practically turning them into optionally manned rather than a crippled unmanned freak.
 

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I think those who want an unmanned Hürkuş forget that Akıncı already meets this need. :unsure:
Akıncı is slow moreover their attack capabilities work on at high altitude. They are Very Vulnerable against air defense systems at this altitude.

I don't underestimate Akıncı/Aksungur etc but their tactical use is different. They have also limits.

Low flying, Rapid CAS aircrafts have different tactical uses.
 

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Akıncı is slow moreover their attack capabilities work on high altitude. Very Vulnerable against air defense systems.

I don't underestimate Akıncı/Aksungur etc but their tactical use is different.
Akinci - B

Payload - 1500 kg
Maximum range - 6 thousand 406 km flown in acceptance tests
Airborne time - Flown for 20 hours and 23 minutes in acceptance tests (normal average of 24 hours)
Engine - 2x750 HP
Service Altitude - 30,000 feet - 40,000 feet (In acceptance tests, it increased to 45 thousand 118 feet)
Cruising - Maximum Speed 150 - 195 Knots

Apart from this, the development works of Akıncı-C with 2x950 HP engines


Hürkuş C
Engine PT6A-68T - 1600 HP
Service Altitude - 35,500 ft
Maximum Range - 1,139 km
Payload - 750 kg
Maximum Cruising speed - 278 kts (515 km/h)

 

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Akinci - B

Payload - 1500 kg
Maximum range - 6 thousand 406 km flown in acceptance tests
Airborne time - Flown for 20 hours and 23 minutes in acceptance tests (normal average of 24 hours)
Engine - 2x750 HP
Service Altitude - 30,000 feet - 40,000 feet (In acceptance tests, it increased to 45 thousand 118 feet)
Cruising - Maximum Speed 150 - 195 Knots

Apart from this, the development works of Akıncı-C with 2x950 HP engines


Hürkuş C
Engine PT6A-68T - 1600 HP
Service Altitude - 35,500 ft
Maximum Range - 1,139 km
Payload - 750 kg
Maximum Cruising speed - 278 kts (515 km/h)


Akıncı-C with a pair of 950hp engines probably improved speed and payload capacity considerably.

TR-Motor should start making turboprop engines suitable for heavy drone use.
 

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President of Defense Industries Haluk Görgün: 40 HÜRKUŞ orders were placed for the Air Force

Defense Industry President Haluk Görgün talked about the 2024 targets in the sector. Görgün announced that 40 Hürkuş aircraft developed by Tusaş were ordered.

Görgün also said that efforts are continuing to use domestic engines in the National fighter Kaan, which will make its first flight in the coming weeks.
 

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President of Defense Industries Haluk Görgün: 40 HÜRKUŞ orders were placed for the Air Force

Defense Industry President Haluk Görgün talked about the 2024 targets in the sector. Görgün announced that 40 Hürkuş aircraft developed by Tusaş were ordered.

Görgün also said that efforts are continuing to use domestic engines in the National fighter Kaan, which will make its first flight in the coming weeks.
Unless they are thinking about employing Cs on for COIN, that's a big number. Big enough to think that maybe HvKK's beloved 40 KT-1Ts are goners.

Re COIN and HvKK, in a country where police operates T129s and KKK operates TB2s, giving HvKK armed turboprops for overwatch and COIN is just dumb, they don't have sufficient numbers as is. Just let KKK have them if they want it.

Regarding 55 number from Jan 5:
"Turkish Aerospace Industries will bring a total of 55 (15+40) more advanced HÜRKUŞ-2s into the inventory of the Turkish Air Force's 122nd Basic Jet Flight Training Squadron."
 
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Will Özgür modernization continue after the 23 billion dollar purchase?

What will happen to the domestic AESA radar, domestic air-air missiles, domestic air-ground bombs?

Will they both be together? For example, like "120 f16 viper and 120 f16 Özgür"?
 

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Will Özgür modernization continue after the 23 billion dollar purchase?

What will happen to the domestic AESA radar, domestic air-air missiles, domestic air-ground bombs?

Will they both be together? For example, like "120 f16 viper and 120 f16 Özgür"?
That's the idea, block 30-40 to Özgür, 50+ CCIP to 70
 

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Will Özgür modernization continue after the 23 billion dollar purchase?

What will happen to the domestic AESA radar, domestic air-air missiles, domestic air-ground bombs?

Will they both be together? For example, like "120 f16 viper and 120 f16 Özgür"?
Just a few months ago, ASELSAN and TAI signed agreements for the modernization of F-16s with a contract value of around USD 2 billion. So there is a contract in place and a program already underway, and the first jets will be delivered this year. With this agreement with the US, the entire fleet will be overhauled and up-to-date.

That's the idea, block 30-40 to Özgür, 50+ CCIP to 70
50 Block-40M and 29 Block 50+ will be upgraded to V configuration, besides with 40 new V procurement. I think all remaining F-16s will be renewed under the Özgür programs.
 
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That's the idea, block 30-40 to Özgür, 50+ CCIP to 70
Nope block 40 and 50+ to V and block 30, 40 and 50 to Özgür-II.

The first Özgür-II delivery for block 30 will be made in 2025. All block 30s will be upgraded to Özgür-II standard in 2027. Block 40 and 50 deliveries will start in 2028 and end in 2030.

Özgür-II consists of air-to-air (including Gökhan) and air-to-ground weapon integration, AESA radar integration, FEWS(Fighter Electronic Warfare System) integration. Next-generation Aselpod integration, integration of national EW pods, T-Link integration. Currently, Özgür-II modernization is going on and it is a continuous process.

Block 40 and 50 will undergo structural modernization with kits provided by LM before the Özgür-II modernization.
 
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Nope block 40 and 50+ to V and block 30, 40 and 50 to Özgür-II.

The first Özgür-II delivery for block 30 will be made in 2025. All block 30s will be upgraded to Özgür-II standard in 2027. Block 40 and 50 deliveries will start in 2028 and end in 2030.

Özgür-II consists of air-to-air (including Gökhan) and air-to-ground weapon integration, AESA radar integration, FEWS(Fighter Electronic Warfare System) integration. Next-generation Aselpod integration, integration of national EW pods, T-Link integration. Currently, Özgür-II modernization is going on and it is a continuous process.

Block 40 and 50 will undergo structural modernization with kits provided by LM before the Özgür-II modernization.
Is the divide between Block 40 those that have gone CCIP and those that didn't?
 

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America created and delivered a weapon strong enough to physically destroy fast incoming missiles (up to 100KW) via an airborne laser pod on THEIR F-16s.
I doubt they will sell it to us.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/laser-weapons-coming-f-35-f-15-and-f-16s-187539

We should and with BILGEM assistance COULD do the same.
Even if Greek F-35s shoot first that shouldn't mean we must die first. We could take down their F35s even with our Özgür F-16s. Here is how:
We could easily have 100+km detection tracking range against F35 with modern IRST and can hit them with IR/RF dual seeker Gökhan, Gökdoğan BVR missile variants. While shooting down incoming missiles with our Özgür laser pod!


On their side of the secret projects, Americans are far ahead of rest of the planet with their unannounced long range lasers. 3 clues to their existence.

1- Remember when Putin said "Americans were not impressed with our hypersonic Kinzhal cruise missile and that made me very uncomfortable." ?

2- There was also this leaked memo delivered to all top brass of US armed forces a few years back outlining NOW they can win a nuclear war with Russia. How else but with space based lasers?

3- "Lockheed is supremely confident in their laser tech. As another exec, Paul Shattuck, boasted on an earlier occasion: “Our beam control technology enables precision equivalent to shooting a beach ball off the top of the Empire State Building from the San Francisco Bay Bridge.” (A.R.)."

That is close to 4500km extremely precise targeting range. They must also solved the issue of blooming. All those Reagan years of Star Wars, laser defense system development didn't just disappear, they just went silent for operational security apparently!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

https://incisivnational.ro/how-do-y...d-air-force-fighters-over-the-next-few-years/
 
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America created and delivered a weapon strong enough to physically destroy fast incoming missiles (up to 100KW) via an airborne laser pod on THEIR F-16s.
I doubt they will sell it to us.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/laser-weapons-coming-f-35-f-15-and-f-16s-187539

We should and with BILGEM assistance COULD do the same.
Even if Greek F-35s shoot first that shouldn't mean we must die first. We could take down their F35s even with our Özgür F-16s. Here is how:
We could easily have 100+km detection tracking range against F35 with modern IRST and can hit them with IR/RF dual seeker Gökhan, Gökdoğan BVR missile variants. While shooting down incoming missiles with our Özgür laser pod!


On their side of the secret projects, Americans are far ahead of rest of the planet with their unannounced long range lasers. 3 clues to their existence.

1- Remember when Putin said "Americans were not impressed with our hypersonic Kinzhal cruise missile and that made me very uncomfortable." ?

2- There was also this leaked memo delivered to all top brass of US armed forces a few years back outlining NOW they can win a nuclear war with Russia. How else but with space based lasers?

3- "Lockheed is supremely confident in their laser tech. As another exec, Paul Shattuck, boasted on an earlier occasion: “Our beam control technology enables precision equivalent to shooting a beach ball off the top of the Empire State Building from the San Francisco Bay Bridge.” (A.R.)."

That is close to 4500km extremely precise targeting range. They must also solved the issue of blooming. All those Reagan years of Star Wars, laser defense system development didn't just disappear, they just went silent for operational security apparently!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

https://incisivnational.ro/how-do-y...d-air-force-fighters-over-the-next-few-years/
Think about how much electricity is required for this. Creating lasers on a plane seems crazy to me.
 

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Think about how much electricity is required for this. Creating lasers on a plane seems crazy to me.
Turbine engines generate huge amounts of power. Lets say you took F135 and converted one into an electricity generator. It would be around 20 mW I think. But obviously it wouldn't fly then. Its currently generating 160kW and they are thinking of increasing it to 400. Imagine a 6th gen fighter with two of those, or imagine a heavy bomber with 1 dedicated electricity generator. I think US is trying to do something like that for their version of E7 Awacs. The radar on that could act like microwave weapon lol
 

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Laser-based DIRCM is nothing new. If you increase the output power voila here is your laser weapon that can fry missiles. It is easier said than done.
 
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