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[Radonsider]

What is weird is you dont see any rush in US jets to field high power GaN based AESA.
It seems, GaAs based APG series is good enough for f35s, f22, f16 and f15ex for now.

F35s APG81 has T/R modules with 15 watts. And it is the best radar out there.

Well they are switching to GaN with new jammer pods ans APG-85 now

 

[Afif]

Well they are switching to GaN with new jammer pods ans APG-85 now

True, with heavy jammer it is very understandable. But when it comes to radar US has developed GaN technology for a while now, but they didnt seemed to in rush to field it with airborne FCRs.

About APG 85 there is no official confirmation about it being GaN based. It could be a hybrid one like ECRS mk ii.

 

[Radonsider]

True, with heavy jammer it is very understandable. But when it comes to radar US has developed GaN technology for a while now, but they didnt seemed to in rush to field it with airborne FCRs.

About APG 85 there is no official confirmation about it being GaN based. It could be a hybrid one like ECRS mk ii.

They didn't really need to, what they use rn are perfectly fine against non stealth targets

 

[Siper>MMU]

True, with heavy jammer it is very understandable. But when it comes to radar US has developed GaN technology for a while now, but they didnt seemed to in rush to field it with airborne FCRs.

About APG 85 there is no official confirmation about it being GaN based. It could be a hybrid one like ECRS mk ii.

They are switching low gain high power TWT based jammers with high gain low power GaN jammers. High power isn't the most important thing.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Transmit-Receive Multi Modules - T/R Modules for Phased Array RADARS

The Transmit-Receive Multi Modules (TRMM) from Mistral are compact T/R Modules for Phased Array RADARS operating in S-Band. Based on GaN (Gallium Nitride) technology, the TRMM delivers high efficiency in a compact size with a 100W Peak Transmit Power Capability per channel.

www.mistralsolutions.com

Here is a company producing GaN modules for Aesa radars and quoting 100watts peak power.
Like all transistor powered audio amplifiers, that in effect may use similar MOSFET circuits albeit slower than GaN FETs, you do not drive your speakers at full power output of your amplifier. Usually you never go beyond half way line. The transistors work more smoothly, without distress and without creating distortion or heat, at lower power settings.
It is the same with the transmit/receive modules. The power is there if needed. In fact pilots are given the freedom to crank up the power when attacking an adversary’s radar or electronic system.
In Burfis, we may have around 2000 T/R modules. 20-30 watts each, it may need 40-60KW power source. In fact if pilots cranks up the power to 60 watt for a short time it may require 120KW power levels. So there should be a good power source available.

A high-gain antenna is particularly good at transmitting signals in a narrow beam whereas a low-gain antenna tends to send it’s signal in a much wider sweep of directions. So to get destructive power, you will still need power. But not as consequentially as you would if you had a low gain module. From that perspective @Boracetkin has a point.

 

[Radonsider]

Transmit-Receive Multi Modules - T/R Modules for Phased Array RADARS

The Transmit-Receive Multi Modules (TRMM) from Mistral are compact T/R Modules for Phased Array RADARS operating in S-Band. Based on GaN (Gallium Nitride) technology, the TRMM delivers high efficiency in a compact size with a 100W Peak Transmit Power Capability per channel.

www.mistralsolutions.com

Here is a company producing GaN modules for Aesa radars and quoting 100watts peak power.
Like all transistor powered audio amplifiers, that in effect may use similar MOSFET circuits albeit slower than GaN FETs, you do not drive your speakers at full power output of your amplifier. Usually you never go beyond half way line. The transistors work more smoothly, without distress and without creating distortion or heat, at lower power settings.
It is the same with the transmit/receive modules. The power is there if needed. In fact pilots are given the freedom to crank up the power when attacking an adversary’s radar or electronic system.
In Burfis, we may have around 2000 T/R modules. 20-30 watts each, it may need 40-60KW power source. In fact if pilots cranks up the power to 60 watt for a short time it may require 120KW power levels. So there should be a good power source available.

A high-gain antenna is particularly good at transmitting signals in a narrow beam whereas a low-gain antenna tends to send it’s signal in a much wider sweep of directions. So to get destructive power, you will still need power. But not as consequentially as you would if you had a low gain module. From that perspective @Boracetkin has a point.

i do have a question rn, this T/R module which you have linked seems to have similar performance to ASELSAN one but like 50 times heavier and lot bigger, maybe the one I have sent is not the whole module?

 

[Brokengineer]

50W is too high for any aircraft to cool down. 5-10W are more reasonable

It is about cooling surface per watt not just about power.

 

[Yasar_TR]

i do have a question rn, this T/R module which you have linked seems to have similar performance to ASELSAN one but like 50 times heavier and lot bigger, maybe the one I have sent is not the whole module?

I am not a radar specialist and wouldn’t dare to speculate on it even with my engineer hat on. But I have a feeling that this is a multi module unit with power source, cooling system and all other paraphernalia included in one box.
Below is a picture of a 200 watt S band GaN TR module.
What you have shared could well be the whole unit. We can’t really see the size of it.

 

[Radonsider]

I am not a radar specialist and wouldn’t dare to speculate on it even with my engineer hat on. But I have a feeling that this is a multi module unit with power source, cooling system and all other paraphernalia included in one box.
Below is a picture of a 200 watt S band GaN TR module.
What you have shared could well be the whole unit. We can’t really see the size of it.
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Size is around my finger (a bit thicker), so 8x2x1 (cm) would be a safe bet

 

[Yasar_TR]

Size is around my finger (a bit thicker), so 8x2x1 (cm) would be a safe bet

The red lined area of the 200watt TR module in my last post where the GaN chips are, for half the power output, would approximately equate to a size you are defining.

 

[Test7]

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[boredaf]

What I would love to see is a missile truck like F-15EX that can take full advantage of all the AESA's we are planning to put on drones.

 

[Nutuk]

What I would love to see is a missile truck like F-15EX that can take full advantage of all the AESA's we are planning to put on drones.

The question is how much a missile truck is needed.

F15-EX is nowadays wanted for her range, not her capacity as bomb truck. Nowadays we do not need a truck load of bombs to destroy a target, one smart guided bomb does the trick

 

[Rooxbar]

This video has 2.8 million views. How? 6th gen to REPLACE Hürjet?

 

[Merzifonlu]

KE is not 6th fighter. Not yet. May be 10 years after.

 

[Tonyukuk]

This video has 2.8 million views. How? 6th gen to REPLACE Hürjet?

YouTube is flooded with these low quality military channels. It's pathetic.

 

[Quasar]

Was gonna ask the same question myself

While T50 and T7 designed on center lined main landing gears similar to F16 and old F104, on Hurjet they preferred the main landing gears beneath the wing roots.
The only main gain I can think of is Hurjet’s prospective ability to carry centerline pods and even ammunition.
On structural strength and weaknesses, experts here can do a better assessment.

Saying that, however, can’t help but notice the resemblance between Hurjet’s and F14’s main landing gear design. *wink wink.

another intersting thing is eventhough Hürjet has half the range of a F 16 still it's range is 400 km more than T 7 red hawk and T 50 and it was stated that it will have air refueling capability.

 

[Isa Khan]

Currently no, but I hope TAI is smart enough to make the Hurjet available in 2 engine choices (like F16 has choice between GE and P&W engine). If Hurjet is also available with EJ200 it would be able to sell it to countries where the US blocks the US engine

Probably should've done that from start after F-35 issue and the way US kept hassling Turkey. Wonder why countries choose American engine instead of Eurojet, French or local one. (Ex- FA-50, Gripen, KFX) This issue complicate sales.

 

[Hasanrize]

Probably should've done that from start after F-35 issue and the way US kept hassling Turkey. Wonder why countries choose American engine instead of Eurojet, French or local one. (Ex- FA-50, Gripen, KFX) This issue complicate sales.

Frech Engine? Dude, they don't even provide an engine for SOM, and you are writing their name to alternative lists? Seriously, when it comes to sanctions, if there is anything worse than the USA, it is Europe.

 

[Heartbang]

It will also affect our major projects

Don't think so.