TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[TheInsider]

Pretty much salvageable. Water level is below the fuselage for most cases in the photos.

The photo was taken after the flood waters somewhat retreated. Some of those choppers were probably in a worse situation while it was raining.

 

[Barry]

They're used to swimming tbh

 

[Lool]

Nice
It seems that Erdogan will not agree for Sweden's membership that easy
As many expected, Erdogan is still using the Turkish parliament as a tool against the motion to add Sweden into NATO unless some of Turkey's demands are met

I really liked his reply of: "If you tie F-16a to Sweden, and say you have a Congress to consider, I have my own Congress, which is Turkish Parliament. I cannot alone ratify it. Sweden has to take some steps"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1700828198102073816

 

[Ryder]

What a flex from the man.

Credit where its due.

 

[TheInsider]

We should completely stop the F-16 process with the USA and focus on our own solutions. Above all else, It is too late to sign a contract.

 

[I_Love_F16]

We should completely stop the F-16 process with the USA and focus on our own solutions. Above all else, It is too late to sign a contract.

Yeah, better scrap the F-16 deal and remind the US what was the real thing that blocks Sweden to access NATO : PKK support.

 

[B_A]

We should produce Hurjets and KE asap

 

[TheInsider]

I don't think any contract can be signed before the American elections which means a possible deal will be postponed to 2025. Özgür serial production and production of a supersonic version of Kızılelma will start by that time. The schedule of a possible F-16 deal is too late and it doesn't make sense.

 

[B_A]

Government always have some secrets or secret deals we never know/cant explain.

if we see our Siper and Hisar now , we should never buy S-400 or Chinese copy HQ-9 but only wait for several years for Siper

 

[Bozan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1701231312281973210

Another big trouble coming

 

[Afif]

Sounds logical. They shouldn't try to bypass Türkiye.

'No corridor without Turkey': Erdogan opposes India-Middle East transport project

Turkish president says Ankara is backing a rival scheme to connect the Gulf to Turkey through Iraq, called the Development Road Project

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Lool]

Honestly the Iran-Middle East corridor is one of the biggest scams ever made
It just isnt economically feasible and the suggested routes pass through multiple countries with massive land areas that will eventually lead to logistical difficulties

The only thing I gained is another proof why Turkey and India can never be intimate friends. Its like both countries are competing to occupy a particular niche that can only belong to one nation and both are trying to outcompete one another

 

[Sanchez]

Another big trouble coming

This is not just Erdogan going in headlong as we grown accustomed. He met with MBZ a day before he said this. Iraqi "development corridor" might be one of the pawns between UAE and Saudi's influence checkers game.

For a calmer ME without Iran flailing around with ballistic missiles, this might just be safer. And this might be the last chance to keep Iraq in one piece.

Just like East-Med, nothing is certain until oil or cargo flow begins. Even India can be made to adjust to a more central position on this as they are accustomed.

 

[TheInsider]

India-Middle East-EU corridor project is dead before arrival. Too many load unload operations and transport vehicle changes.

India-UAE ship
UAE-Saudi Arabia-Jordan-Israel train/truck
Israel-Greece ship (Both Haifa and Pireus ports are owned by China)
Greece-Europe train/truck

Turkiye offers
India-Iraq ship
Iraq-Turkiye-EU train/truck.
Turkish route is shorter with fewer load-unload operations and transport vehicle changes.

Old route
India-Egypt-EU ship. (IMHO still the best route but the Suez canal probably can't deal with the increased traffic)

 

[Nilgiri]

Even India can be made to adjust to a more central position on this as they are accustomed.

Nope. It might have been possible if the Erdogan admin didnt go out of its way to wreck the Turkish economy to the level it is now extremely beholden to KSA and UAE forex support and the associated 180 reversals suddenly taken in relations. Where in the 1- 10 scale those changes are taken credibly by the Gulf states, one is free to speculate.

The Gulf states always bring this up when Turkey comes up (when it rarely does happes) for conversation with India nowadays.

As long as the Erdogan admin is there and Turkish economy is in the state it is in and is unable to put up money for international infra projects with the forex level it has.... it will not be treated as a serious party.

The Arabs are also very interested in improving relations with Israel (Haifa port, now owned by Indian conglomerate) to counter Iran...and the US is interested in strengthening the Abraham accords.

This is all going to provide the impetus and inertia.

If Turkiye wanted to do better as a route, it should have done better core economically in the last decade (and this one). Instead you see the results for yourself. Instead it didn't even make wise investments regarding capital allocation for oil refining (as I talked about in the economy thread)....and then the Erdogan admin did a number of foreign policies that deteoriated relations with all these parties: KSA, UAE, India, Israel, US.

Like you can do one of the two and try recover, not both.

So this is case of objection noted and objection ignored. Make yourself matter in the next decade (2030 - 2040) at least after base recovery in this one, put up your own core funding for what you want to see and we will then see.

 

[godel44]

Nope. It might have been possible if the Erdogan admin didnt go out of its way to wreck the Turkish economy to the level it is now extremely beholden to KSA and UAE forex support and the associated 180 reversals suddenly taken in relations. Where in the 1- 10 scale those changes are taken credibly by the Gulf states, one is free to speculate.

The Gulf states always bring this up when Turkey comes up (when it rarely does happes) for conversation with India nowadays.

As long as the Erdogan admin is there and Turkish economy is in the state it is in and is unable to put up money for international infra projects with the forex level it has.... it will not be treated as a serious party.

The Arabs are also very interested in improving relations with Israel (Haifa port, now owned by Indian conglomerate) to counter Iran...and the US is interested in strengthening the Abraham accords.

This is all going to provide the impetus and inertia.

If Turkiye wanted to do better as a route, it should have done better core economically in the last decade (and this one). Instead you see the results for yourself. Instead it didn't even make wise investments regarding capital allocation for oil refining (as I talked about in the economy thread)....and then the Erdogan admin did a number of foreign policies that deteoriated relations with all these parties: KSA, UAE, India, Israel, US.

Like you can do one of the two and try recover, not both.

So this is case of objection noted and objection ignored. Make yourself matter in the next decade (2030 - 2040) at least after base recovery in this one, put up your own core funding for what you want to see and we will then see.

Harsh words. I had to look up to see if there has been an economic miracle in India recently to justify the tone but it seems Indian GDP per capita is still worse than a quarter of the Turkish one. I suppose it's getting there.

I don't think these routes are serious proposals to begin with as the high cost due to multiple modality changes is self-evident. They are more like geopolitical statements to give a sense of self-importance to India (in case they don't have enough already) and tie together the countries in the route, such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Israel.

 

[Aqerdf]

Nil..

Next time, just look up for East Med. project..

Before going "how dare you questionin, you pukey forex-poor (forex?, lol ) bird country !" level teeanage stuff...

I thought we were friends dude ! You saddened me.

 

[Marlii]

Harsh words. I had to look up to see if there has been an economic miracle in India recently to justify the tone but it seems Indian GDP per capita is still worse than a quarter of the Turkish one. I suppose it's getting there.

I don't think these routes are serious proposals to begin with as the high cost due to multiple modality changes is self-evident. They are more like geopolitical statements to give a sense of self-importance to India (in case they don't have enough already) and tie together the countries in the route, such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Israel.

In that case china's and Mexicos GDP are almost in the same league and geopoliticaly china is a super power while Mexico is Mexico.The sheer size of the economy and what opportunities they provide to your partners is the important one. @Nilgiri was just pointing that I think

 

[Aqerdf]

No. Dont't go brethren stuff. It is what it is. Godels's other paragraph explained all these very nicely, no ? And my reaction to all these was just icing on the cake honestly...

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Harsh words. I had to look up to see if there has been an economic miracle in India recently to justify the tone but it seems Indian GDP per capita is still worse than a quarter of the Turkish one. I suppose it's getting there.

I don't think these routes are serious proposals to begin with as the high cost due to multiple modality changes is self-evident. They are more like geopolitical statements to give a sense of self-importance to India (in case they don't have enough already) and tie together the countries in the route, such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Israel.

Well in that case Luxembourg should be the most powerful and influential superpower on earth since it's GDP per capita is highest on the planet.