TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[IC3M@N FX]

Posted on another aviation forum:



Worth thinking about.

It would be an idea to try to maintain relations with the US to ensure that F110 engine supply for KAAN is not blocked. If that happened, the consequences would be bad.

You should.... avoid. . At least in the defense sector, you should give them a wide berth. It's fine the way it is, the F-16 Block 70 including the upgrade kits will be the last planes from the US.
If we don't get them, we shouldn't waste any more energy trying to convince them, just convert the remaining F-16 Block 40/50s into Özgur II, the equivalent of the Block 70 Viper.

The delivery of the F-110 engines only came about because General Electric is a minority shareholder in TEI and is therefore forced to fulfill contracts that have already been concluded.
If the US government had torpedoed the deal, the Russians or Chinese would have agreed to supply the engines together with a technology transfer as in the S-400 deal.
Both have asked to help Turkey with the engines if their wonderful allies refuse.
That would have been the final straw for Turkey's NATO membership, which would then only be on paper and worth no more than a scrap of paper from Turkey's point of view. It would still be a NATO member, but would not provide any assistance to the wrong allies.

 

[Spitfire9]

You should.... avoid. . At least in the defense sector, you should give them a wide berth. It's fine the way it is, the F-16 Block 70 including the upgrade kits will be the last planes from the US.
If we don't get them, we shouldn't waste any more energy trying to convince them, just convert the remaining F-16 Block 40/50s into Özgur II, the equivalent of the Block 70 Viper.

The delivery of the F-110 engines only came about because General Electric is a minority shareholder in TEI and is therefore forced to fulfill contracts that have already been concluded.
If the US government had torpedoed the deal, the Russians or Chinese would have agreed to supply the engines together with a technology transfer as in the S-400 deal.
Both have asked to help Turkey with the engines if their wonderful allies refuse.
That would have been the final straw for Turkey's NATO membership, which would then only be on paper and worth no more than a scrap of paper from Turkey's point of view. It would still be a NATO member, but would not provide any assistance to the wrong allies.

I have not followed closely but I thought the last barriers to the F-16 deal had been removed and a contract had been signed.

If Russia or China would be happy to help with engines, that is good. What is not so good is that Russian engines are not as good as US, French and British engines and Chinese engines even less. I imagine that Russia would welcome making money out of Turkiye. Who else is interested in Russian help with engines or in buying Russian engines to power their own designs?

Out of curiosity, why does Turkiye want to stay in NATO? Who would attack Turkiye so that it needed to call on help from its NATO allies?

PS Why buy US upgrade kits if you have your own?

 

[TR_123456]

Out of curiosity, why does Turkiye want to stay in NATO? Who would attack Turkiye so that it needed to call on help from its NATO allies?

We stay in NATO because we want to,its beneficial to our foreign policy,soft/hard power,image etc.
In a war,none of the NATO members would come to our help,we know that already and we wouldnt need their help but just to show the world they wouldnt come when we would ask for their help.
A good example was Syria.

PS Why buy US upgrade kits if you have your own?

Again,political reasons.
If they say no we show their true faces to those still thinking that the Western countries are our true allies.
Did you really think we are going to buy military hardware worth $23 billion from the US?

 

[Lool]

I have not followed closely but I thought the last barriers to the F-16 deal had been removed and a contract had been signed.

If Russia or China would be happy to help with engines, that is good. What is not so good is that Russian engines are not as good as US, French and British engines and Chinese engines even less. I imagine that Russia would welcome making money out of Turkiye. Who else is interested in Russian help with engines or in buying Russian engines to power their own designs?

Out of curiosity, why does Turkiye want to stay in NATO? Who would attack Turkiye so that it needed to call on help from its NATO allies?

PS Why buy US upgrade kits if you have your own?

Even if Russia and China did offer such a deal, Turkey wont take it over the fear of sanctions; I assure you of that

As to why Turkey stays in NATO, there are a couple of factors I can think of
1- NATO is comprised of an alliance of some of the most advanced nations on Earth
2- NATO structural heirarchy is stable as opposed to alliances like the Russian/Iranian/Chinese axis
3- Geographically, Turkey is more closely linked to EU and NATO countries
4- Turkey's economy is nearly almost linked with NATO members compared to those of Russia or China
5- Turkey's military is closely linked to NATO's military standards and therefore shifting to another school/axis may cause disruptions within Turkish/Western style of military command
6- NATO as an alliance is the most advanced alliance in terms of both military and civilian technology; in addition to being one of the most effecient
7- NATO has the US which is still the supreme nation on Earth (although going downhill)
8- If Turkey left NATO, then NATO will arm Turkey's enemies like Greece and PKK even more heavily while nations on the other end of the earth like China wont even bother to help Turkey
9- EU is the largest single market and Turkey's largest export market

In other words, while NATO alliance is comprised of a bunch of a**holes, they are still quie beneficial to Turkey from am economic, political, and military point of view; although that importance has been on a decline, it is still important to date nonetheless