TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Mis_TR_Like]

We need to prepare for a post-Ayatollah Iran.

We need to make sure they're on our side and not an Israeli puppet against us.

I've long stated that most Middle Eastern nations hate the fact that Türkiye is a secular nationalist republic. Israel always uses the whole Turkey is a "Islamist, Jihadist, anti-western" nation rhetoric. Ever since Erdoğan and Bibi started hating eachother.

Now things are changing quickly. UAE and Saudi have been reforming their image. But after crushing the Shiite axis, now Israel wants to focus on its Sunni neighbors. It'll prop up a secular Iran that's loyal to it and then fully focus on destroying its Arab neighbors. Once it fully controls them, it'll try to create a fully fledged alliance against Türkiye.

Of course this is all a big dream, I don't think it's viable for them.

But ultimately, we need to make sure we come out advantageous after the Iranian regime collapses. We have 30 million Turks there for f*ck sake.

 

[Ryder]

Iran has lots of Turkic peoples.

Most of those Turkic peoples in Iran are Shia.

We gotta spread Pan Turkism and Pan Turanism not secratarian garbage. Now imagine a Iran ran by Turkic peoples who are Pro Turkish. Thats what we need so bad.

I hope our Sunni Turks back in Turkiye drop the Secratarian bullshit. Please just think of the opportunities.

 

[Ryder]

We need to prepare for a post-Ayatollah Iran.

We need to make sure they're on our side and not an Israeli puppet against us.

I've long stated that most Middle Eastern nations hate the fact that Türkiye is a secular nationalist republic. Israel always uses the whole Turkey is a "Islamist, Jihadist, anti-western" nation rhetoric. Ever since Erdoğan and Bibi started hating eachother.

Now things are changing quickly. UAE and Saudi have been reforming their image. But after crushing the Shiite axis, now Israel wants to focus on its Sunni neighbors. It'll prop up a secular Iran that's loyal to it and then fully focus on destroying its Arab neighbors. Once it fully controls them, it'll try to create a fully fledged alliance against Türkiye.

Of course this is all a big dream, I don't think it's viable for them.

But ultimately, we need to make sure we come out advantageous after the Iranian regime collapses. We have 30 million Turks there for f*ck sake.

Iran, Russia and China are 3 big historical enemies of the Turkic peoples.

But also 3 countries feature millions of Turkic people.

Too bad we dont have millions in the Arab world as most have been assimilated.

Iraqi Turkmens and Syrian Turkmens dont have enough numbers. Most of the Egyptian Turks are now Egyptians. Most of the Kuloglus of North Africa have all been assimiliated into wider society.

 

[Iskander]

We need to prepare for a post-Ayatollah Iran.

We need to make sure they're on our side and not an Israeli puppet against us.

I've long stated that most Middle Eastern nations hate the fact that Türkiye is a secular nationalist republic. Israel always uses the whole Turkey is a "Islamist, Jihadist, anti-western" nation rhetoric. Ever since Erdoğan and Bibi started hating eachother.

Now things are changing quickly. UAE and Saudi have been reforming their image. But after crushing the Shiite axis, now Israel wants to focus on its Sunni neighbors. It'll prop up a secular Iran that's loyal to it and then fully focus on destroying its Arab neighbors. Once it fully controls them, it'll try to create a fully fledged alliance against Türkiye.

Of course this is all a big dream, I don't think it's viable for them.

But ultimately, we need to make sure we come out advantageous after the Iranian regime collapses. We have 30 million Turks there for f*ck sake.

After meeting with Venezuelan opposition leader Ms. Machado, whom Washington is likely to nominate as Venezuela's next president, Trump is expected to meet with Reza Pahlavi on January 13.
If the Iranian ayatollahs are forced to leave Tehran, Prince Pahlavi would likely be the most suitable candidate for the Shah's throne in Iran.

 

[Asena_great]

We need to make sure they're on our side and not an Israeli puppet against us.

thats not going to happen they are putting former shah's son + most likly the kurdish area will breake away while they pervent any turkics separation just like in iraq where they prevented the creation of turkmenli.

But ultimately, we need to make sure we come out advantageous after the Iranian regime collapses. We have 30 million Turks there for f*ck sake.

they will be refugees in Azerbaijan and turkey just like 7 million Syrians that were cleaned and let the kurds take over their land

funny 5% of population got 80% of nation's resources ! the whole israel project is to pervent formation of unified arab country with population of 400 milliom ! the whole kurdistan + armenia project is to prevent any union between turkcis states

our generals were right in 90s. according to bitlis doctrain created by general eşref bitlis

1) there should be a continues none stop fight against pkk
2) the kurds in the region need to be embraced by their relative states ( iran syria iraq and turkey)
3) iran syria iraq and turkey should join fight against pkk and form a common force to combat any kurdish separatism
4) iran syria iraq and turkey should prevent any outside power to be allowed into the region

and what did the islamist did back then ?? turgut özal allow american and uk to enter northren iraq and build airport there hence no longer needing turkish land corridor ! also turgut özal accept 1.5-4 million iraqi kurds as refugee whom alot of them were peshmerga got cirizinship and we got the bloodiest years of PKK terrorism in early 90s only after 28 şubat generals took decisimve actions their terrorism died out and öcalan captured ! in 2000s HDP also make one of those iraqi kurds who got turkish citizinship a member of parliment and she couldnt speak turkish ! useing her as excesue for teaching kurdish in schools etc

by 2000s islamist agian came to power via AKP and made the peace process ! mehmet baransu a kurdish guy with his başörtülü wife who was the islamist barbie make the accousation of ergenekon and balyoz hence sending around 400 turkish generals to jail some of them died there !

here we have 90s generals who spend all of their life fighting against PKK and here we have islamist allowing kurds to take revange on our generals ! mehem barasu as şikayetçi the judge as also kurdish so was the Gizli tanık who was a PKK terrorist ! this was the time were PKK terrorist walk in our street with gun and did a ID card check on our soilders and police with the full support of islamist who held the power

later when syrian civil war started AKP negotiated with its ally PKK to overthrow Assad regime hence PKK terrorist where transported from iraq to syria via turkish soil by police escort and islamist even give them lehmacun on border. and here we created a kurdish state by the hand of islamist in syria

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

I should also highlight the fact that Iran turning secular is the dream of anyone who wants to prevent a proper Turkic corridor.

If Iran does shed its current sickly Islamic regime, and gets replaced with a secular one, they'll recieve a ton of Western support to become a bulwark against the Turkic states.

I hope we have a plan and don't just sit around like we did with Syria or Iraq. Ideally, we should establish a Turkic zone accross the entire north. But I can't see our government doing that.

Remember, when western powers back Islamists, they see them as disposable. But if they back a secular entity, it means they want to keep them around.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I should also highlight the fact that Iran turning secular is the dream of anyone who wants to prevent a proper Turkic corridor.

If Iran does shed its current sickly Islamic regime, and gets replaced with a secular one, they'll recieve a ton of Western support to become a bulwark against the Turkic states.

I hope we have a plan and don't just sit around like we did with Syria or Iraq. Ideally, we should establish a Turkic zone accross the entire north. But I can't see our government doing that.

Remember, when western powers back Islamists, they see them as disposable. But if they back a secular entity, it means they want to keep them around.

Spot on!

 

[Okaber]

thats not going to happen they are putting former shah's son + most likly the kurdish area will breake away while they pervent any turkics separation just like in iraq where they prevented the creation of turkmenli.

they will be refugees in Azerbaijan and turkey just like 7 million Syrians that were cleaned and let the kurds take over their land

Turkmens are not a clear majority anywhere in Iraq, that is hardly comparable to Azerbaijani provinces in Iran. Also not really comparable to the situation in Syria.

Look at this video of IRGC operations against Pjak. Can you hear what language they are speaking in later parts of the video?

(1:10)

“Rəşid get biraz dala” (dal = arka)

“Görər” (it’s enough)

Let’s not underestimate Iranian Azerbaijanis.

Sattar Khan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Okaber]

Local army and Irgc units are almost exclusively Azerbaijani in Azerbaijani provinces, and even in Kurdish provinces (those that fight against Pjak). It’s nothing like Turkey where Kurds are a minority in Turkish combat units.

My point is that you would have a large pool of army people in such scenario, who already man those different army units. Not exactly defenceless people at mercy of some bandits, or people who are not capable of organization.

 

[Asena_great]

Turkmens are not a clear majority anywhere in Iraq, that is hardly comparable to Azerbaijani provinces in Iran. Also not really comparable to the situation in Syria.

Look at this video of IRGC operations against Pjak. Can you hear what language they are speaking in later parts of the video?

(1:10)

“Rəşid get biraz dala” (dal = arka)

“Görər” (it’s enough)

Let’s not underestimate Iranian Azerbaijanis.

Sattar Khan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

let me tell you what will they do to tabriz and Urmia they will flatten it by rapid bombing basically give them Gaza treatment ! few men will Kalashnikov wont change that

this is map of syria in 2012 look at the kurdish population !

look at the land they have captured ! by killing 1 million and driving 7 million Syrians into turkey !

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

lol just as I said, they want to paint us as Islamists...

It's always innocent, secular, democratic Israel against murderous jihadists...

Imagine if we just came out and said they supported ISIS, they backed Hamas against the original secular resistance, they backed Islamist regimes to ultimately weaken nations accross the middle east and that Turkiye is the only true secular nation in the region and that everyone else is trying to copy us.

Would be hilarious to twist their agenda against them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2009694172220182948

 

[Ryder]

lol just as I said, they want to paint us as Islamists...

It's always innocent, secular, democratic Israel against murderous jihadists...

Imagine if we just came out and said they supported ISIS, they backed Hamas against the original secular resistance, they backed Islamist regimes to ultimately weaken nations accross the middle east and that Turkiye is the only true secular nation in the region and that everyone else is trying to copy us.

Would be hilarious to twist their agenda against them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2009694172220182948

The propaganda is fcking hilarious lmaooooo

Israel is such secular state LOL when it constantly brags to the world how they are a Jewish state.

 

[Ryder]

Us Turks really suck at PR

This has been the case for centuries man. Russians used the bullshit pretext look they are massacring innocent Bulgarians to start the 93 Harbi.

 

[AlperTunga]

lol just as I said, they want to paint us as Islamists...

It's always innocent, secular, democratic Israel against murderous jihadists...

Imagine if we just came out and said they supported ISIS, they backed Hamas against the original secular resistance, they backed Islamist regimes to ultimately weaken nations accross the middle east and that Turkiye is the only true secular nation in the region and that everyone else is trying to copy us.

Would be hilarious to twist their agenda against them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2009694172220182948

I come across to similar videos both in Israel and in US media. Such a hunger and thirst to portray Türkiye as their enemy. I never expected such a deep-seated hatred against Turks in Israelis and their proxies. Really amazing! I keep saying this. The biggest strategic mistake of Israel will be to choose Türkiye as enemy. I say "choose" because the alternative is possible. But as they seem to have made their decision, they will need to face the consequences eventually, as Türkiye gets stronger and stronger. After all Madagascar is not going anywhere. In the meantime I can recommend them watching some videos of Madagascar to prepare mentally, it is pretty nice actually

 

[AlperTunga]

I should also highlight the fact that Iran turning secular is the dream of anyone who wants to prevent a proper Turkic corridor.

If Iran does shed its current sickly Islamic regime, and gets replaced with a secular one, they'll recieve a ton of Western support to become a bulwark against the Turkic states.

I hope we have a plan and don't just sit around like we did with Syria or Iraq. Ideally, we should establish a Turkic zone accross the entire north. But I can't see our government doing that.

Remember, when western powers back Islamists, they see them as disposable. But if they back a secular entity, it means they want to keep them around.

Agree fully. Iran getting secular does not mean it will turn into a democratic country but it'll just be a puppet state serving the interests of US and Israel. Similar to UAE. Even that one fits in the definition of "secular" for US & Israel. Such an Iran regime will be our nightmare. They will use Iran against our interests. So although Mullahs have betrayed us many times, I prefer a weak Mullah regime (bombarded from time to time to prevent its acquiring military power) for Türkiye's interests.

Regarding "Turks" in Iran. they have always been on the side of Persians, and against us in the history (Remember Shah Ismail). They identify themselves much more with Iran. They will never unify with Azeribagcan, nor will they be of any good for Türkiye.

We need to make sure, Iran stays as a weak actor.

 

[Okaber]

Regarding "Turks" in Iran. they have always been on the side of Persians, and against us in the history (Remember Shah Ismail). They identify themselves much more with Iran. They will never unify with Azeribagcan, nor they will be of any good for Türkiye.

Those were religious-sectarian conflicts, what do you mean they have always been on the side of Persians? Persian population itself converted to Shia Islam under Safavid rule, often forcefully.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Agree fully. Iran getting secular does not mean it will turn into a democratic country but it'll just be a puppet state serving the interests of US and Israel. Similar to UAE. Even that one fits in the definition of "secular" for US & Israel. Such an Iran regime will be our nightmare. They will use Iran against our interests. So although Mullahs have betrayed us many times, I prefer a weak Mullah regime (bombarded from time to time to prevent its acquiring military power) for Türkiye's interests.

Regarding "Turks" in Iran. they have always been on the side of Persians, and against us in the history (Remember Shah Ismail). They identify themselves much more with Iran. They will never unify with Azeribagcan, nor they will be of any good for Türkiye.

We need to make sure, Iran stays as a weak actor.

I partially agree. I don't think all Turks in there are loyal to Iran. We, both Türkiye and Azerbaijan need to lead by example.

I'm not too sure about Azerbaijan, but Türkiye hasn't really been a good role model for them apart from our defence industry.

Had we had a more respected leader, who wasn't self absorbed enough to jeprodise the economy, we would be seen as a pearl in the middle east. Unfortunately, we're only seen as a security partner when push comes to shove.

I've stated before, Türkiye is punching BELOW it's weight. TSK, our deep-rooted culture and our geography are trump cards, but we're really doing the bare minimum, I guess that's what to expect when we're led by a regime in survival mode.

 

[AlperTunga]

Those were religious-sectarian conflicts, what do you mean they have always been on the side of Persians? Persian population itself converted to Shia Islam under Safavid rule, often forcefully.

For them being a Shia is much more important than being a Turk. This is my impression. That's why they are siding with the Persians. If they didn't, I don't understand why the "turkish" part of Iran Tebriz etc. which is also geographically neighboring to us, does not belong to Turkiye. On the other hand, unfortunately, for many Turks in Türkiye being a Muslim is much more important than being a Turk.

But Turks' weak attachment to their identity and the fact that they don't support each other is well-known. Look at all these so-called "Turkic" countries. They don't like Türkiye Turks much either. So in the great power games of the 21st century we are sort of alone. It does not work with Muslims, but does not work with the Turkic identity either.

 

[mehmed beg]

I am not going to go too much into Shia debate.
What is crystal clear, if The Mullahs fall , first that will amplifie Kurdish position immediately.
Second, they will threaten position in Syria, third by giving some rights to Baluchis they will enable Israel and USA to threaten Pakistani nuclear deterrent.
Through Emarates, they will threaten Saudi ,Qatar and Kuwait.
Basically, they will try to annihilate anything resembling Islam. Etc
Basically, Turkey must ensure that future Iranian government has no any peace whatsoever and that's also in interest od others countries.
Oh , I forgot, they would love to take over Bagram too.
Hopefully, Mullahs if it really comes to , to be organised not to be, will from the roof tops , annihilate at least 200k of these degenerates.
Let's see if Americans want Afghanistan or Iraq Ii .

This is matter of the existence, not just for Turkiye but many others.
Hehehe I would call this operation Al Hajjaj or out of my patriotic feelings Ahmed Jazzar.

 

[Perun]

If Kurds acomplish same level of autonomy in Iran as they have in Iraq and Syria then Turkey is their next target