TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Asena_great]

Turkmens are not a clear majority anywhere in Iraq, that is hardly comparable to Azerbaijani provinces in Iran. Also not really comparable to the situation in Syria.

Look at this video of IRGC operations against Pjak. Can you hear what language they are speaking in later parts of the video?

(1:10)

“Rəşid get biraz dala” (dal = arka)

“Görər” (it’s enough)

Let’s not underestimate Iranian Azerbaijanis.

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let me tell you what will they do to tabriz and Urmia they will flatten it by rapid bombing basically give them Gaza treatment ! few men will Kalashnikov wont change that

this is map of syria in 2012 look at the kurdish population !

look at the land they have captured ! by killing 1 million and driving 7 million Syrians into turkey !

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

lol just as I said, they want to paint us as Islamists...

It's always innocent, secular, democratic Israel against murderous jihadists...

Imagine if we just came out and said they supported ISIS, they backed Hamas against the original secular resistance, they backed Islamist regimes to ultimately weaken nations accross the middle east and that Turkiye is the only true secular nation in the region and that everyone else is trying to copy us.

Would be hilarious to twist their agenda against them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2009694172220182948

 

[Ryder]

lol just as I said, they want to paint us as Islamists...

It's always innocent, secular, democratic Israel against murderous jihadists...

Imagine if we just came out and said they supported ISIS, they backed Hamas against the original secular resistance, they backed Islamist regimes to ultimately weaken nations accross the middle east and that Turkiye is the only true secular nation in the region and that everyone else is trying to copy us.

Would be hilarious to twist their agenda against them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2009694172220182948

The propaganda is fcking hilarious lmaooooo

Israel is such secular state LOL when it constantly brags to the world how they are a Jewish state.

 

[Ryder]

Us Turks really suck at PR

This has been the case for centuries man. Russians used the bullshit pretext look they are massacring innocent Bulgarians to start the 93 Harbi.

 

[AlperTunga]

lol just as I said, they want to paint us as Islamists...

It's always innocent, secular, democratic Israel against murderous jihadists...

Imagine if we just came out and said they supported ISIS, they backed Hamas against the original secular resistance, they backed Islamist regimes to ultimately weaken nations accross the middle east and that Turkiye is the only true secular nation in the region and that everyone else is trying to copy us.

Would be hilarious to twist their agenda against them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2009694172220182948

I come across to similar videos both in Israel and in US media. Such a hunger and thirst to portray Türkiye as their enemy. I never expected such a deep-seated hatred against Turks in Israelis and their proxies. Really amazing! I keep saying this. The biggest strategic mistake of Israel will be to choose Türkiye as enemy. I say "choose" because the alternative is possible. But as they seem to have made their decision, they will need to face the consequences eventually, as Türkiye gets stronger and stronger. After all Madagascar is not going anywhere. In the meantime I can recommend them watching some videos of Madagascar to prepare mentally, it is pretty nice actually

 

[AlperTunga]

I should also highlight the fact that Iran turning secular is the dream of anyone who wants to prevent a proper Turkic corridor.

If Iran does shed its current sickly Islamic regime, and gets replaced with a secular one, they'll recieve a ton of Western support to become a bulwark against the Turkic states.

I hope we have a plan and don't just sit around like we did with Syria or Iraq. Ideally, we should establish a Turkic zone accross the entire north. But I can't see our government doing that.

Remember, when western powers back Islamists, they see them as disposable. But if they back a secular entity, it means they want to keep them around.

Agree fully. Iran getting secular does not mean it will turn into a democratic country but it'll just be a puppet state serving the interests of US and Israel. Similar to UAE. Even that one fits in the definition of "secular" for US & Israel. Such an Iran regime will be our nightmare. They will use Iran against our interests. So although Mullahs have betrayed us many times, I prefer a weak Mullah regime (bombarded from time to time to prevent its acquiring military power) for Türkiye's interests.

Regarding "Turks" in Iran. they have always been on the side of Persians, and against us in the history (Remember Shah Ismail). They identify themselves much more with Iran. They will never unify with Azeribagcan, nor will they be of any good for Türkiye.

We need to make sure, Iran stays as a weak actor.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Agree fully. Iran getting secular does not mean it will turn into a democratic country but it'll just be a puppet state serving the interests of US and Israel. Similar to UAE. Even that one fits in the definition of "secular" for US & Israel. Such an Iran regime will be our nightmare. They will use Iran against our interests. So although Mullahs have betrayed us many times, I prefer a weak Mullah regime (bombarded from time to time to prevent its acquiring military power) for Türkiye's interests.

Regarding "Turks" in Iran. they have always been on the side of Persians, and against us in the history (Remember Shah Ismail). They identify themselves much more with Iran. They will never unify with Azeribagcan, nor they will be of any good for Türkiye.

We need to make sure, Iran stays as a weak actor.

I partially agree. I don't think all Turks in there are loyal to Iran. We, both Türkiye and Azerbaijan need to lead by example.

I'm not too sure about Azerbaijan, but Türkiye hasn't really been a good role model for them apart from our defence industry.

Had we had a more respected leader, who wasn't self absorbed enough to jeprodise the economy, we would be seen as a pearl in the middle east. Unfortunately, we're only seen as a security partner when push comes to shove.

I've stated before, Türkiye is punching BELOW it's weight. TSK, our deep-rooted culture and our geography are trump cards, but we're really doing the bare minimum, I guess that's what to expect when we're led by a regime in survival mode.

 

[AlperTunga]

Those were religious-sectarian conflicts, what do you mean they have always been on the side of Persians? Persian population itself converted to Shia Islam under Safavid rule, often forcefully.

For them being a Shia is much more important than being a Turk. This is my impression. That's why they are siding with the Persians. If they didn't, I don't understand why the "turkish" part of Iran Tebriz etc. which is also geographically neighboring to us, does not belong to Turkiye. On the other hand, unfortunately, for many Turks in Türkiye being a Muslim is much more important than being a Turk.

But Turks' weak attachment to their identity and the fact that they don't support each other is well-known. Look at all these so-called "Turkic" countries. They don't like Türkiye Turks much either. So in the great power games of the 21st century we are sort of alone. It does not work with Muslims, but does not work with the Turkic identity either.

 

[mehmed beg]

I am not going to go too much into Shia debate.
What is crystal clear, if The Mullahs fall , first that will amplifie Kurdish position immediately.
Second, they will threaten position in Syria, third by giving some rights to Baluchis they will enable Israel and USA to threaten Pakistani nuclear deterrent.
Through Emarates, they will threaten Saudi ,Qatar and Kuwait.
Basically, they will try to annihilate anything resembling Islam. Etc
Basically, Turkey must ensure that future Iranian government has no any peace whatsoever and that's also in interest od others countries.
Oh , I forgot, they would love to take over Bagram too.
Hopefully, Mullahs if it really comes to , to be organised not to be, will from the roof tops , annihilate at least 200k of these degenerates.
Let's see if Americans want Afghanistan or Iraq Ii .

This is matter of the existence, not just for Turkiye but many others.
Hehehe I would call this operation Al Hajjaj or out of my patriotic feelings Ahmed Jazzar.

 

[Perun]

If Kurds acomplish same level of autonomy in Iran as they have in Iraq and Syria then Turkey is their next target

 

[Pilatino]

Guys, what is your idea about the claims that shows Türkiye among the Saudi & Pakistani pact on X platform?

 

[TR_123456]

Guys, what's your ideas about the claims that shows Türkiye among the Suadi & Pakistani pact on X platform?

Officially it is seen as a strategic move but in reality it is just a Saudi move to keep the UAE Israel cooperation against the KSA in check.
When Turkiye and Pakistan are involved the UAE Israel air evaporates immediately,they know it we know it and the whole world knows it.
Remember Qatar and the Turkish base there.

 

[mehmed beg]

What time we are living in, Saudis and Houthis becoming friends .

 

[Huelague]

Guys, what is your idea about the claims that shows Türkiye among the Saudi & Pakistani pact on X platform?

Put Egypt into it, and I will like it.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2009683708157276332

 

[Yasar_TR]

Get back to the main topic of the tread before your posts are deleted please.

 

[AlperTunga]

Get back to the main topic of the tread before your posts are deleted please.

Just for me to understand: why are the above messages off-topic? they don't seem far off to me. This thread is about geopolitics, and this is inevitably linked to history. Many topics here are interlinked. If we do molecular level decomposition of topics, we cannot exchange any views here meaningfully. But you'd be right of course if we discuss the characteristics of a 6th generation jet engine in geopolitics thread. Please explain what is bothering you?

 

[AlperTunga]

Guys, what is your idea about the claims that shows Türkiye among the Saudi & Pakistani pact on X platform?

If Saudis are strongly committed at a broad and more strategic level (not only seeking some help for Yemen etc.) this can be a powerful alliance. Pakistan has nuclear bombs, a large military, and some technology (intelligent engineers there). Saudis have enormous finances but they also want to develop some technology and has been working on it. Türkiye can sell 200 KAANs to Saudis, 100 of which to be operated by turkish pilots. These would be available to Saudis in case of conflict, but also to help Türkiye in case of war with Greece or Israel. We can have military bases in SA. Many other effective cooperation ideas can be developed.

 

[King_West]

I hope our army and MIT is ready to intervene in Iran if necessary. We cannot aford another PKK seperatist state. Im 100% confident they will try to balkanize Iran.

 

[mehmed beg]

Some sort of alliance is welcomed with Pakistan, as of Bedounship of Saudi Arabia, I don't care. I care about Hejjaz.
Those people are not to be trusted apart from some temporary agreements in some particular geographic locations and events.
Forget about that stink