TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Corvus]

I remember a post here, but forgot who posted it. Basically the post in question stated that people who believes in some sort of Muslim unity (the Ummah) don’t understand the concept of a sovereign nation with it’s own borders. They want to unit all the Muslim countries under the same umbrella, and for that to happen you’ll have to completely erase the concept of nations and borders, so in essence the state. And if you are against these view they just call you a nationalist like above.

Are you not a nationalist?

 

[I_Love_F16]

Are you not a nationalist?

I would rather call myself patriotic rather than a nationalist.

 

[Corvus]

Our Islamists are celebrating the fact we're about to let PKK terrorists that happen to be extremely pro Zionist by the way to walk freely in our streets. How exactly do you expect people to react to this?

They're "Islamists" "Muslims" call them whatever you want.. but they all seem to celebrate our enemies... so many will lash out and say things that might come across "xenophobic" but thats a natural reaction.

Also why do you always bring up Europeans into every argument? Why do we care if Anglos like Muslims or not. Why do we care if Europeans are this or that? I get the feeling you just hate Europeans and want an excuse to bash them .. or am I missing something?

PKK, ideologically, is not a zionist group. Öcalan himself called out Israel many times. They are ideologically leftist-communists and they even cooperated with PLO in the past. However, especially in Syria, they developed a pragmatic partnership with the USA&Israel thinking that they could establish a statelet there. Turkish state is aware of this fact and they used Öcalan to take PKK away from the Israeli influence. Hence, their plans collapsed.

The ones that are eager to cooperate with Israel are Kurdish nationalists and they are against the ongoing process. Just check twitter to see the ongoing disputes between Kurdish nationalists, PKK suporters and KDP supporters. Sometimes I feel sad about our people's ignorance about our enemies.

Anyways commonalities of Islamist:

Support PKK
Sayin APO
Turkiyeli .. Turks do not exist.
Hates Azerbaijan calls them non-Turks

The problem is Islamist.

Show us a single "islamist" that supports PKK, says "sayın Apo" and rejects the existence of Turks. I'm begging you to show me who that person is.

Btw, Karabagh was saved by the "islamist" government, with the drones they produced, generals they appointed and plans they made.
(I don't think current Turkish state is islamist btw. I'm just countering your imaginary islamist problem.)

 

[Corvus]

I would rather call myself patriotic rather than a nationalist.

So you are not a nationalist? I'm confused.

If you think nation state is the right form of political order, you are a nationalist by definition.

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

1) I'm not against NATO.
2) We gain a lot by by being in the Mecca Alliance (such as a nuclear umbrella against Israel) and it is just the beginning. If it is all about gains and we are going to gain, would you be ok with this alliance?


3) Speak for yourself. You are not a spokesman for the Turks.
4) What gave you the idea that a defensive pact means dying for the others? I'm struggling to believe someone can have such low comprehension skills.


5) I don't represent any "people" here. I don't know what imaginary group you are involving me in.
6) Nobody wants to die for the others and that's not an alliance is.

All the "ideas" you have is based on imaginary enemies, cartoonish slogans and empty rhetorics. I would suggest you to read some international press and academic sources to save yourself from the tiny echo chamber you think is the world.

You are the one stuck in your own echo chamber lad, you have no idea for the hatred towarda islamism and arabs in Turkey.

You can go and die for saudi oil turkish youth won’t like it or not.

 

[Corvus]

Well the pact has Israel and Iran butthurt.

You forgot another certain group.

People who think they are "Turkists" but are nothing like their ancestors; full of a deep inferiority complex, driven by nationalist rhetoric, and so stuck in their own ignorant echo chamber that they mistake it for the truth. Many examples can be seen in this forum.

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

Well Turks conquered half of the world, alongside with Constantinople, had its peak in every metric imaginable and established one of the greatest empires of the history using that drug. You must hate Turks if you are against this.

So did the hunnic empire mate, what are you trying to say? Turks don't need a religion to conquer others.

 

[Corvus]

You are the one stuck in your own echo chamber lad, you have no idea for the hatred towarda islamism and arabs in Turkey.

You can go and die for saudi oil turkish youth won’t like it or not.

Could you answer the questions I asked you?

Or you have no answers?

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

You forgot another certain group.

People who think they are "Turkists" but are nothing like their ancestors; full of a deep inferiority complex, driven by nationalist rhetoric, and so stuck in their own ignorant echo chamber that they mistake it for the truth. Many examples can be seen in this forum.

Yes we all should bend over to minorities and hail our superiors the arabs, albanians and greeks, we don't need nationalism because Turks don't even exist! Ummah is a delusional idea and the tool for the israelis.

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

PKK, ideologically, is not a zionist group. Öcalan himself called out Israel many times. They are ideologically leftist-communists and they even cooperated with PLO in the past. However, especially in Syria, they developed a pragmatic partnership with the USA&Israel thinking that they could establish a statelet there. Turkish state is aware of this fact and they used Öcalan to take PKK away from the Israeli influence. Hence, their plans collapsed.

The ones that are eager to cooperate with Israel are Kurdish nationalists and they are against the ongoing process. Just check twitter to see the ongoing disputes between Kurdish nationalists, PKK suporters and KDP supporters. Sometimes I feel sad about our people's ignorance about our enemies.




Show us a single "islamist" that supports PKK, says "sayın Apo" and rejects the existence of Turks. I'm begging you to show me who that person is.

Btw, Karabagh was saved by the "islamist" government, with the drones they produced, generals they appointed and plans they made.
(I don't think current Turkish state is islamist btw. I'm just countering your imaginary islamist problem.)

Yeah twitter is a good source mate, also öcalan known for changing his ideology and thoughts a lot he might disliked them at first like the other communists groups but the new Pkk has been seen favourable by the netanyahu and israeli ngos, you seem to forgot pkk is the kurdish nationalist organization now, the kurds who support it are not lefties but common kurdish nationalists.

Always bending over to minorities copying the leftist tactics this is what islamism does lmao

 

[Lool]

There are unconfirmed reports that a Saudi attack, backed by Turkey, on Houthi forces in Yemen is imminenet. If true, then it will be the first significant test for the Mecca alliance.

The aim of the operation is to prevent Iran from sabotaging the proposed Turkey-Syria-Jordan-KSA pipeline and trade route. From some sources, the railway line, within Syria and Jordan, is already being rebuilt to connect it to both Turkey and KSA.

Iran, on the other hand, threatened that if oil doesnt pass through Hormuz, then any other pipeline or trade route being laid will be targeted

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

There are unconfirmed reports that a Saudi attack, backed by Turkey, on Houthi forces in Yemen is imminenet. If true, then it will be the first significant test for the Mecca alliance.

The aim of the operation is to prevent Iran from sabotaging the proposed Turkey-Syria-Jordan-KSA pipeline and trade route. From some sources, the railway line, within Syria and Jordan, is already being rebuilt to connect it to both Turkey and KSA.

Iran, on the other hand, threatened that if oil doesnt pass through Hormuz, then any other pipeline or trade route being laid will be targeted

We getting missile striked by houtsis %100

 

[Ryder]

There are unconfirmed reports that a Saudi attack, backed by Turkey, on Houthi forces in Yemen is imminenet. If true, then it will be the first significant test for the Mecca alliance.

The aim of the operation is to prevent Iran from sabotaging the proposed Turkey-Syria-Jordan-KSA pipeline and trade route. From some sources, the railway line, within Syria and Jordan, is already being rebuilt to connect it to both Turkey and KSA.

Iran, on the other hand, threatened that if oil doesnt pass through Hormuz, then any other pipeline or trade route being laid will be targeted

Well honestly houthis have always been hostile to us.

Either way those Yemenis are proud about how they resisted the Ottoman Empire. Same in the Balkans. Sometimes understand a lot of Turkish posters why they get hostile. There is bad memories in this region. Many Turks believe putting your interests first.

Also thanks to Yemen the Turks could not transform the Ottoman Empire into a colonial Empire alongside Morocco.

We would be colonising parts of Australia and Indonesia if wasnt for them.

Houthis are not good people at all no matter what people think of them. But Saudis incompetence is what allowed the Houthis to grow. Being anti israel doesnt make them good like people think.

 

[mehmed beg]

PKK, ideologically, is not a zionist group. Öcalan himself called out Israel many times. They are ideologically leftist-communists and they even cooperated with PLO in the past. However, especially in Syria, they developed a pragmatic partnership with the USA&Israel thinking that they could establish a statelet there. Turkish state is aware of this fact and they used Öcalan to take PKK away from the Israeli influence. Hence, their plans collapsed.

The ones that are eager to cooperate with Israel are Kurdish nationalists and they are against the ongoing process. Just check twitter to see the ongoing disputes between Kurdish nationalists, PKK suporters and KDP supporters. Sometimes I feel sad about our people's ignorance about our enemies.




Show us a single "islamist" that supports PKK, says "sayın Apo" and rejects the existence of Turks. I'm begging you to show me who that person is.

Btw, Karabagh was saved by the "islamist" government, with the drones they produced, generals they appointed and plans they made.
(I don't think current Turkish state is islamist btw. I'm just countering your imaginary islamist problem.)

Dear brother, being a leftist is by the definition , Zionist. Almost in all cases. Now , it is not necessarily only Jews but Protestants too.

 

[mehmed beg]

I remember a post here, but forgot who posted it. Basically the post in question stated that people who believes in some sort of Muslim unity (the Ummah) don’t understand the concept of a sovereign nation with it’s own borders. They want to unit all the Muslim countries under the same umbrella, and for that to happen you’ll have to completely erase the concept of nations and borders, so in essence the state. And if you are against these view they just call you a nationalist like above.

That idea of that sort of internationalist State is Masonic in nature

 

[Lool]

There are also another set of unconfirmed reports that Turkey is planning to deploy a squadron of F16s in Tabuk airport, KSA which is located around 200km from Israeli borders. If true, then this is a massive piece of news; I wonder if Israel will remain silent on this matter

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2087892962499756396

 

[Lool]

Well honestly houthis have always been hostile to us.

Either way those Yemenis are proud about how they resisted the Ottoman Empire. Same in the Balkans. Sometimes understand a lot of Turkish posters why they get hostile. There is bad memories in this region. Many Turks believe putting your interests first.

Also thanks to Yemen the Turks could not transform the Ottoman Empire into a colonial Empire alongside Morocco.

We would be colonising parts of Australia and Indonesia if wasnt for them.

Houthis are not good people at all no matter what people think of them. But Saudis incompetence is what allowed the Houthis to grow. Being anti israel doesnt make them good like people think.

Houthis are trash tbh and this was known for long time ago.
The matter at hand, from Turkey's perspective, is the new trade and oil route to be built. Turkey, by gaining Syria from Iran, have completed the most important hurdle and if the project comes to fruition, then Turkey will have a part in a decent chunk of profits from the oil sales to west. The geopolitical and economic gains to Turkey will be massive and I dont think that Turkey will sit and watch some Houthi pricks ruin everything for them

Moreover, Israel is on the verge of exploding at Turkey; the fact that one of their lifelong goals of being an energy export hub has been taken away from right under legs by Turkey is driving them insane. Just watch the threats that Israeli foreign and energy minister say everyday about Turkey

 

[Yasar_TR]

@Lool
@mehmed beg
you are visitors in the threads. Watch your language and what you write. Or you will attract thread bans.

 

[mehmed beg]

In ideal world, the best option is to be isolationist. Unfortunately, Turkiye has no such option, not now , not before and nor in the future. Turkiye has no natural wealth, nukes and things that are required for " island" existence.
Worse thing is that, no matter what other countries want Turkish territory. In fact, they want it more now than 50 60 years ago.
So can " progressive" world in reality regress very rapidly with the most destructive ideas.
So Turkiye needs some sort of alliance, unfortunately what is out there is best described as rubbish.
It enough just to look at few parameters in Somalia and see that is truly waist of time.
What is to be done there???
Whatever it may be , more or less the same problem would be here it is just that Turkiye managed in the last 20 30 years make itself reasonably strong.
Be it Islamist or not Kurds will be there and if they could have co operate with Armenians even in ww1 what is to be done there? Apart from waiting for another war and doing Enver on them?
As of Turkish Islamists? I know some of them, they are nice but very very naive and romantic people.
I wrote before, I don't believe that since Abdul Hamid death that there has been any real Islamists , as I am not really secularist I have no other options than to be fascist.
Anyway the situation is so bad and complex that the mindes of Karpov and Kramnik are needed. I am afraid that there are no such studios and analytical minds in the islamic world.
I am not for Islamist world, after all of they are not together with themselves, what possibly I can do there? Just endanger myself for their BS?
The good thing would be to hammer those Houthi midgets, though

 

[mehmed beg]

@Lool
@mehmed beg
you are visitors in the threads. Watch your language and what you write. Or you will attract thread bans.

What exactly I said that requires any sort of sanction? Have I lied or misinformed or anything like that?
We are grown up people so I think that people should expect the answers that they don't like, that's how life work , no?
We are not children?
I am looking through the thread, I don't know what Lool said to merit any sort of a threat?!