TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Corvus]

Yeah twitter is a good source mate, also öcalan known for changing his ideology and thoughts a lot he might disliked them at first like the other communists groups but the new Pkk has been seen favourable by the netanyahu and israeli ngos, you seem to forgot pkk is the kurdish nationalist organization now, the kurds who support it are not lefties but common kurdish nationalists.

Always bending over to minorities copying the leftist tactics this is what islamism does lmao

You made some claims in your previous message so I'm asking you to back your claim.

Show us a single "islamist" that supports PKK, says "sayın Apo" and rejects the existence of Turks. I'm begging you to show me who that person is.

 

[Corvus]

Dear brother, being a leftist is by the definition , Zionist. Almost in all cases. Now , it is not necessarily only Jews but Protestants too.

I mean there are many shades of the left.

But in its essence, the left (marxism) sees the world system through class struggle, rejects all kinds of nationalism and that includes Zionism.

However that didn't stop PKK cooperating with the USA and communicating with Israel. Öcalan himself said that Israel has a lot of influence on Syrian PKK.

 

[Corvus]

You’re oversimplifying the PKK’s relationship with Israel. Saying “PKK is not Zionist because Öcalan criticised Israel decades ago” ignores how the organisation has actually behaved in practice. Whatever their ideological branding, the PKK has a long record of pragmatic cooperation with foreign intelligence services, including Israeli ones — a pattern documented by multiple analysts and regional observers. That doesn’t make them ideologically Zionist, but it does show they’ve repeatedly aligned with Israel when it served their strategic goals.

More importantly, look at current behaviour, not 1980s rhetoric. Today, PKK‑aligned networks in Syria operate inside a U.S.–Israel security umbrella. Their political ecosystem online openly supports Israeli positions, especially since the Syrian conflict reshaped regional alliances. Meanwhile, Kurdish nationalist factions, PKK supporters, and KDP supporters fight daily on social media over who is closer to Israel — which alone shows how deep these ties run.

So no, the PKK isn’t “ideologically Zionist,” but pretending they’re disconnected from Israeli influence is just not accurate. Their followers’ current pro‑Israel stance, their alignment with U.S.–Israel regional strategy, and their long history of intelligence cooperation all contradict the claim you’re making.

But it's alright, they're now AKP Zionist lovers.

Read my message again, chatgpt. You basically repeated what I just said as if you're countering me.

"However, especially in Syria, they developed a pragmatic partnership with the USA&Israel thinking that they could establish a statelet there. Turkish state is aware of this fact and they used Öcalan to take PKK away from the Israeli influence. Hence, their plans collapsed."

 

[Corvus]

Unlike Islamists. we Turks are not afraid of Israel. And we don't need to be in any alliance to confront the cousins of Arabs the Jews.

What's your plan against Israeli nuclear weapons as they are establishing an anti-Turkish coalition my brave friend?

Btw, are you aware that Pakistanis are not Arabs or is it too much of a knowledge to expect from you?

I made myself the spokesman for all Turks. ok?

No. You're actually nothing.

Maybe go read the news? Saudis are being humiliated by the Iranians, and now we're in this "alliance" because their western masters won't die for them like they thought for decades.

USA established a military pact with Qatar last year. Does that mean Americans dying for Qatar to you?

We can all see what group you are in. And it's certainly not a Turkish group. Trust me I know you're not even a Turk to begin with.

I'm sending you a DM to arrange a personal meeting or at least a video call to determine who is what. Let's see if you are that brave when you are not behind a nickname.

 

[Ryder]

What's your plan against Israeli nuclear weapons as they are establishing an anti-Turkish coalition my brave friend?

Btw, are you aware that Pakistanis are not Arabs or is it too much of a knowledge to expect from you?


No. You're actually nothing.


USA established a military pact with Qatar last year. Does that mean Americans dying for Qatar to you?


I'm sending you a DM to arrange a personal meeting or at least a video call to determine who is what. Let's see if you are that brave when you are not behind a nickname.

Does Turkiye even teach geography or different cultures properly. People think Afghans are Arabs. Afghans are not Arabs. Afghan is more of a Nationality rather than a ethnic term same with Pakistani.

Afghanistan includes ethnic groups like Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tajiks and Hazaras. Pakistani includes Kashmiri, Balochs, Punjabis, Sindhis and Pashtuns.

This would be so helpful in Turkish foreign policy. Soviet Union spent decades studying the various ethnic groups and cultures in their state.

The biggest mistake of the Ottomans was not doing this which I believe played a role in their collapse.

Saudi Arabia biggest mistake was being hostile to Turkiye now they will learn the hard way.

Israel, Iran and UAE are the biggest threats so it makes sense for Turkiye, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to form a pact.

I just hope its not another useless nothing burger like the OIC. Also Turkish posters do have a right to be concerned especially with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia also has to do its part. Pacts and Alliances are not a one way highway. Saudis cant expect Turkiye and Pakistan to fight their wars. This pact should be seen purely as defence to counter Israel and Iran. But also have a gut feeling that the Saudis are too lenient with the Emiratis.

 

[TurkWolf]

Show us a single "islamist" that supports PKK, says "sayın Apo" and rejects the existence of Turks. I'm begging you to show me who that person is.

Just admit you all worship PKK now as fellow Islamists against Kemalism.. even though these PKK are anti-Islam to the core, but they're now acceptable because you both have a common enemy - The Turk.

However that didn't stop PKK cooperating with the USA and communicating with Israel. Öcalan himself said that Israel has a lot of influence on Syrian PKK.

PKK are Zionists, their whole purpose is to serve the Jews, I understand you don't want to admit that now, seeing as both Islamist and PKK are now buddies.

What's your plan against Israeli nuclear weapons as they are establishing an anti-Turkish coalition my brave friend?

Ask the Palestinians what Pakistanis doing for them with their nukes.

Btw, are you aware that Pakistanis are not Arabs or is it too much of a knowledge to expect from you?

Who said anything about Arabs being Pakistanis?

USA established a military pact with Qatar last year. Does that mean Americans dying for Qatar to you?

If they die for Qataris then yes. Whats so hard to understand about that?

Does Turkiye even teach geography or different cultures properly. People think Afghans are Arabs. Afghans are not Arabs. Afghan is more of a Nationality rather than a ethnic term same with Pakistani.

Yeah, lets ignore that AKP want to release PKK and lets discuss about Arabs not being Pakistanis... because we care so much?

Afghanistan includes ethnic groups like Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tajiks and Hazaras. Pakistani includes Kashmiri, Balochs, Punjabis, Sindhis and Pashtuns.

No one cares.

 

[Tonyukuk]

Yeah guys, they've disarmed

https://www.reddit.com/r/kurdistan/s/ND7gj4RD8l

 

[Ryder]

Just admit you all worship PKK now as fellow Islamists against Kemalism.. even though these PKK are anti-Islam to the core, but they're now acceptable because you both have a common enemy - The Turk.

PKK are Zionists, their whole purpose is to serve the Jews, I understand you don't want to admit that now, seeing as both Islamist and PKK are now buddies.

Ask the Palestinians what Pakistanis doing for them with their nukes.

Who said anything about Arabs being Pakistanis?

If they die for Qataris then yes. Whats so hard to understand about that?

Yeah, lets ignore that AKP want to release PKK and lets discuss about Arabs not being Pakistanis... because we care so much?

No one cares.

What do you mean nobody cares lol learning about countries and cultures is helpful to foreign policy.

 

[Corvus]

Just admit you all worship PKK now as fellow Islamists against Kemalism.. even though these PKK are anti-Islam to the core, but they're now acceptable because you both have a common enemy - The Turk.

Instead of all this gibberish, you can back up your claims like a man.

Show me a single "islamist" that said things that you claimed.

Ask the Palestinians what Pakistanis doing for them with their nukes.

When did they form an alliance?

If they die for Qataris then yes. Whats so hard to understand about that?

Alliance doesn't mean dying for others. Not for us, not for Americans.

Lets discuss about Arabs not being Pakistanis... because we care so much?

No one cares.

Why do you talk about foreign policy if you don't care about the foreign?

You just make baseless claims from the small imaginary world that you are living in. Everything you say as a backup for your ideas is nothing but slogan driven emptiness. You dodge my questions that you can't answer and keep on making more imaginary claims.

You really don't care do you?

 

[TurkWolf]

Instead of all this gibberish, you can back up your claims like a man.

Show me a single "islamist" that said things that you claimed.

Could look at this thread.

We're about to release PKK terrorists and many of your ilk are happy about it. What more proof you need?

Kurdish nationalists and Islamists in Turkiye are now openly supportive of each other. And their common enemy is the Turk.

When did they form an alliance?

You're right. No Muslims even care for Palestinians.

Alliance doesn't mean dying for others. Not for us, not for Americans.

But it is?
This Mecca Pact came about because the Americans need cheap Turk blood and Pakistani blood to sacrifice for the Arabs.
Deny all you want but it is the truth.

Why do you talk about foreign policy if you don't care about the foreign?

We're discussing about Mecca pact, who the hell mentioned if Pakistanis are Arabs or not? What does that got to do with the course of conversation please do tell.

You just make baseless claims from the small imaginary world that you are living in. Everything you say as a backup for your ideas is nothing but slogan driven emptiness. You dodge my questions that you can't answer and keep on making more imaginary claims.

Which questions am I dodging?

You really don't care do you?

You're running out of things to say aren't you?

 

[2033]

Why did forming an alliance with Saudi Arabia bother you so much? Whoever controls the Middle East controls the world. 70% of the world’s oil and gas reserves are in the Middle East. The most important factor keeping the dollar afloat today is, without a doubt, the petrodollar. If we can fill the void left by the USA in the Middle East (perhaps 30 years from now), we could become a major power center.

 

[TurkWolf]

Why did forming an alliance with Saudi Arabia bother you so much? Whoever controls the Middle East controls the world. 70% of the world’s oil and gas reserves are in the Middle East. The most important factor keeping the dollar afloat today is, without a doubt, the petrodollar. If we can fill the void left by the USA in the Middle East (perhaps 30 years from now), we could become a major power center.

What about forming an Alliance with Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria?

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

Why did forming an alliance with Saudi Arabia bother you so much? Whoever controls the Middle East controls the world. 70% of the world’s oil and gas reserves are in the Middle East. The most important factor keeping the dollar afloat today is, without a doubt, the petrodollar. If we can fill the void left by the USA in the Middle East (perhaps 30 years from now), we could become a major power center.

Problem is we are not equipped to deal with Iranian threat believe me I don't like Iran, If Saudis can't even defend their rafineries, air bases shit even military bases in their own soil how are we going to protect our own assets and soldiers?

My problem with this aggrement is that, Turkish troops shouldn't die trying to protect Saudi Interests I bet you know Saudis weren't too friendly to us for many many years. Our economy is already damned and If the republic goes into a unwanted war with Iran It will get worse, there isn't much us Turks get from this aggrement maybe pakistani help thats all.

 

[2033]

What about forming an Alliance with Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria?

I believe we can eventually bring Saudi Arabia to heel.

 

[2033]

Problem is we are not equipped to deal with Iranian threat believe me I don't like Iran, If Saudis can't even defend their rafineries, air bases shit even military bases in their own soil how are we going to protect our own assets and soldiers?

My problem with this aggrement is that, Turkish troops shouldn't die trying to protect Saudi Interests I bet you know Saudis weren't too friendly to us for many many years. Our economy is already damned and If the republic goes into a unwanted war with Iran It will get worse, there isn't much us Turks get from this aggrement maybe pakistani help thats all.

I don't think we'll get directly involved in the war. We could set up a few bases there for deterrence purposes. We could supply Saudi Arabia with UAVs and large quantities of ammunition.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Guys stay on topic. And be civil.

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

I don't think we'll get directly involved in the war. We could set up a few bases there for deterrence purposes. We could supply Saudi Arabia with UAVs and large quantities of ammunition.

Knowing the reputation of Saudis losing drones and even high tech jets, I wouldn't advise giving anything to them
It puts us in a situation that won't be profitable supplying them drone, munitions and other assets just so they can lose them.

It is not profitable to just give give and get nothing from them back while they lose those assets.

 

[TurkWolf]

I believe we can eventually bring Saudi Arabia to heel.

I don't know man. They seem to want us only when they want something. Thats my most issue with this Mecca Pact.
Would they have invited us in this alliance had Iranians not bombing them and humiliating them ?
The MENA region is a mess, and we could be harmed than gain anything from it.

 

[2033]

Knowing the reputation of Saudis losing drones and even high tech jets, I wouldn't advise giving anything to them
It puts us in a situation that won't be profitable supplying them drone, munitions and other assets just so they can lose them.

It is not profitable to just give give and get nothing from them back while they lose those assets.

We’ll sell it to them for money—we might even make them partners. They have a lot of money. We’ll also teach them how to use it. Knowledge is power. On the other hand, we can ease tensions without adopting a hostile stance toward Iran.

 

[2033]

I don't know man. They seem to want us only when they want something. Thats my most issue with this Mecca Pact.
Would they have invited us in this alliance had Iranians not bombing them and humiliating them ?
The MENA region is a mess, and we could be harmed than gain anything from it.

They had no choice but to turn to us. This is an honor for us, but a humiliation for them.