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nice discussions. I am very happy to see the second prototype of Hürjet fly, and I hope we're closer to finalizing the trainer jet version and we order those engines, of course having them built in TEI's facilities would be the best solution and I think that might be very possible with Trump at the rudder.

If anyone thinks of complaining over the old reliable engine I'm going to 🤬 on ppl.

We'll see the lightarmed version when it's ready, but for now it's more important to start building the trainers., many of them.
 

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AI is not a panacea - how do you want to have program code analysed and optimized by AI software in order to eliminate sources of error or speed things up? To do this, the AI software must first of all know the program code and know what context it belongs to and what it is needed for.
You answered your own question.
 

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Mehmet Demiroğlu, General Manager of TAI: There is a serious demand for our HÜRJET in Europe, North Africa, Central Asia and the Turkic republics. Our negotiations with them have also progressed considerably. We are even making progress with a customer from across the ocean, with whom we have been in talks for quite long.

This statement makes me think that we will see many Hürjet configurations in the coming period, or that external demands are also taken into consideration within the current development activities. I mean, about the LCA variant.
 

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Meanwhile our own air force have not even ordered the trainer variant yet and literally no official interest for the LCA.
 

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Meanwhile our own air force have not even ordered the trainer variant yet and literally no official interest for the LCA.
Trainer has been ordered? Its also no suprise that the Air Force has no interest in the LCA version. They might order a handful a symbolic gesture but other than that the Air Force is interested in force multipliers (Kaan,F-35. EF T4/5, F-16V70)
 

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Meanwhile our own air force have not even ordered the trainer variant yet and literally no official interest for the LCA.
Unfortunately, I think that this situation may have a negative reflection on the foreign market.

Trainer has been ordered? Its also no suprise that the Air Force has no interest in the LCA version. They might order a handful a symbolic gesture but other than that the Air Force is interested in force multipliers (Kaan,F-35. EF T4/5, F-16V70)
For this very reason, we can say that developing LCA with the same engine configuration as AJT would not be the right approach in terms of domestic needs. For the foreign market, an FA-50 equivalent system may emerge, but in the foreign market, I think the TAF reference will be decisive, and the competitiveness of an aircraft that our own air force will not buy may remain limited in the foreign market.

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The max payload capacity for the latest F-16s should ultimately be around 16-18K lb, although maneuverability may be reduced by up to 5g. The most important question for me here is to what extent the configuration consisting of the Özgür-2+AESA suite and the indigenous weapons group is equivalent to the Viper B70. Because with this configuration and an infrastructure that can be more compatible with KAAN, the only thing needed to bring the Hürjet fuselage to an electronically equivalent level will be a slightly more powerful engine configuration.

In my humble opinion, with an engine like the F414s, an aircraft with a similar mission range can be created, perhaps with the only shortcoming that the maximum payload capacity will be 12-14 thousand pounds instead of 16-17 , but as a typical payloads configs, it can operate in the desired flight profiles as like main combatants. F-16s have 1+2+6 hardpoints as well as extra hardpoints for the mission pod. Another shortcoming would be to give up at least 2 hardpoints. But this deficiency can be overcome with multiple pylons and increased under-fuselage carrying capacity for some scenarios, as in the Gripen. Having our own airframe, which is actually not such a small platform, opens up a very important room for work in it, but time will tell how much we will be able to use it. Because it all boils down to the engine issues.
 
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literally no official interest for the LCA.
I'd be surprised if they were interested in a jet that can't even carry 3 tonnes, which means can't even carry the heaviest munitions we have, which we use extensively, making it barely better than drones we use for CAS.
 

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Also, making the aircraft navalized and strengthening the landing gear will significantly affect the total weight of the aircraft. At first, I had the idea that a maximum payload capacity approaching 12,000lbs would be possible, as the Koreans did with the F404, but now I think it will be below the Koreans because of navalizing aircraft. Also, one more detail, the maximum payload capacity of the FA-50 in the Korean web sources given as 12,000 lbs but design allowable load states as up to 20,000 lbs. This perhaps indirectly shows that the Koreans may turn to a different engine configuration on this airframe in the future.


FA-50 (current 2-seat LCA variant) specs: https://web.archive.org/web/20220827015328/https://koreaaero.tistory.com/4
(sorry for google translate but it's still understandable)
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They have ordered 16 Trainer Aircraft? 4 Block-0 12 Block-1.
Do you remember when Hürjet visited Konya and made a joint flight with Turkish Stars last year? Why didn't it visit Çiğli instead? Noone have confirmed so far that the 4+12 Hürjets HvKK ordered are the trainer variant, just like Hürkuş isn't. They are the aerobatics variant for the Stars.
 

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Do you remember when Hürjet visited Konya and made a joint flight with Turkish Stars last year? Why didn't it visit Çiğli instead? Noone have confirmed so far that the 4+12 Hürjets HvKK ordered are the trainer variant, just like Hürkuş isn't. They are the aerobatics variant for the Stars.
We shall see. Don't think Air Force will pay that much money for 16 Aircraft and then hand them over to the Turkish Stars while its own Trainer Fleet is slowly rotting away. At least not all of them. Maybe the first 4. Block 1 will surely be inducted into the Air Force.

We shall see.
 

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Juanjo Fernández(Writer and defense analyst. Graduate in National Defense):

"The second prototype of the Hurjet with a nice paint scheme.
Get used to this plane. I won't say more."


Could it be..?
We have to take a step back and think about the incredible achievement Türkiye has made regarding its defence industry and in particular the aviation sector thanks to TAI, Baykar, Aselsan, Rocketsan, Havelsan, KaleAero, and many more.
The fact that we're exporting to NATO countries or even being considered from Spain, a country with decades more experience and success in manufacturing Aircraft from trainers, fighters to transport and utility, is mind boggling. Quality is key!
 

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We have to take a step back and think about the incredible achievement Türkiye has made regarding its defence industry and in particular the aviation sector thanks to TAI, Baykar, Aselsan, Rocketsan, Havelsan, KaleAero, and many more.
The fact that we're exporting to NATO countries or even being considered from Spain, a country with decades more experience and success in manufacturing Aircraft from trainers, fighters to transport and utility, is mind boggling. Quality is key!
it's a good omen for sure but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. we need to see some concrete news before putting up the lights
 
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