TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Zafer]

Then why do you post it in the first place I mean I could think of Katar buying hürjet as a trainer but that just gossip at the moment the only ones we know for sure are Spain and turkey only the numbers aren’t clear yet

Considering the kill switch talk in Europe and in the world anybody maybe looking for a non American plane at the moment. The engine is questionable but still better than having the whole plane American. Map is updated.

 

[boredaf]

Spain has already been supplying some components for Hürjet for some time.

I specified 400 for HÜRJET yesterday. This number does not include TURAF orders.Access to American engines will not be a problem, but production speed will be an issue on the part of TUSAS.

HÜRJET will be a master key for the entire defense industry of Turkey.

I'll just quote myself here:

Based on what, exactly? 400 would make it one of the best selling jets of all time, what makes you think it'll reach those numbers?

 

[Kaan Azman]

I hope no one missed out the fact that Murat İkinci was present too, it might not be limited to just advanced trainers

 

[mTT]

• TUSAŞ signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Airbus and 15 Spanish companies.
• Airbus was selected as the national coordinator by the Spanish Ministry of Defense.
• The project has two phases:
  • Production will begin at TUSAŞ.
  • In the next phase, part of the production will be transferred to Spain.
  • The Spanish configuration will be produced with local subsystems.
• Industrialization plan: To be completed within 2 months.
• Contract signing: 3rd or 4th quarter of 2025.
• Deliveries: To Turkey and Spain by 2028.
• Turkey's first manned jet export.
• Important step in expanding to NATO and European countries.
• Has supersonic training capability.
• More cost-effective and modern compared to competitors.
• HÜRJET beat competitors such as the US (Boeing), Italy (Leonardo), and South Korea (KAI).
  
  
  

 

[TheInsider]

I think TUSAS should go for F414 engines for the Hürjet light fighter version. When Baykar 20k engine becomes available switch to Baykar's engine.

 

[Zafer]

Isn't the 2027 date for the combat version and not the trainer version. Trainer version is expected in 2026 AFAIK.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Yes, and having Spain alongside us for LCA might either take this calendar slightly backwards but more importantly have it standing on stronger legs

 

[OPTIMUS]

I'll just quote myself here:

on the needs of the air forces of the Spanish-speaking area, Africa, and Asia.

 

[Zafer]

 

[Spitfire9]

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Why is the US coloured? It has got T-7A. I don't think that UK should be coloured either. There seems to be an interest in all GCAP countries ordering an M-346 optimised for GCAP training. If not, UK startup company Aeralis could be given the contract for a UK trainer.

Nothing decided for the UK except that a Hawk replacement decision is becoming urgent.

 

[Zafer]

Why is the US coloured? It has got T-7A. I don't think that UK should be coloured either. There seems to be an interest in all GCAP countries ordering an M-346 optimised for GCAP training. If not, UK startup company Aeralis could be given the contract for a UK trainer.

Nothing decided for the UK except that a Hawk replacement decision is becoming urgent.

T--7A gets delayed again and again, and Hürjet predecessor was in the same tender back then, so a limited number maybe considered.
Hürjet naval is planned and the UK may want some for their carriers.

A re-engined Hürjet may also open up other possibilities that seem unlikely at the moment.

 

[Pokemonte13]

T--7A gets delayed again and again, and Hürjet predecessor was in the same tender back then, so a limited number maybe considered.
Hürjet naval is planned and the UK may want some for their carriers.

A re-engined Hürjet may also open up other possibilities that seems unlikely at the moment.

Uk wanting Hürjet naval is a stretch considering they are currently ordering more f35b for Airforce and Navy but as a simple trainer its possible but i think they wanted to build their own less capable trainer. Perhaps once Baykars engine comes available we will se Hürjet 2 as two engine design (Turkish f18) to replace F16 and be the low cost option for the airforce together Eurofighters and kaan and f16 block 70
40 f16V
40 Eurofighter
150-200 Kaan
100-150 Hürjet 2(Twin engine)

 

[Zafer]

Uk wanting Hürjet naval is a stretch considering they are currently ordering more f35b for Airforce and Navy but as a simple trainer its possible but i think they wanted to build their own less capable trainer. Perhaps once Baykars engine comes available we will se Hürjet 2 as two engine design (Turkish f18) to replace F16 and be the low cost option for the airforce together Eurofighters and kaan and f16 block 70
40 f16V
40 Eurofighter
150-200 Kaan
100-150 Hürjet 2(Twin engine)

F35B is expensive, Hürjet Naval is affordable, it may have a chance.

Inventory numbers will shape up also considering UCAV fleets.

 

[TheInsider]

The UK might consider a limited amount of Hürjet naval for training purposes.

 

[Spitfire9]

The UK might consider a limited amount of Hürjet naval for training purposes.

I don't know about carrier operations but I don't understand how a conventional trainer would be useful to train F-35B pilots on British carriers. I see F-35B landed vertically.

 

[TheInsider]

I don't know about carrier operations but I don't understand how a conventional trainer would be useful to train F-35B pilots on British carriers. I see F-35B landed vertically.

I think F-35Bs will be retired. It is a failed product. UK will continue with F-35C.

 

[Sanchez]

I think F-35Bs will be retired. It is a failed product. UK will continue with F-35C.

What? UK MoD will buy J-35 before they spend billions and years on converting the carriers to CATOBAR. That's not happening.

 

[TheInsider]

What? UK MoD will buy J-35 before they spend billions and years on converting the carriers to CATOBAR. That's not happening.

I think some kind of EMALS will be installed on QE. It is a miracle to sustain 30-40% readiness with F-35B. F-35B is not a Harrier. It is a failed product; even the US Navy can't maintain them and is fed up with problems and malfunctions. It basically breaks down. F-35C is decent and has a similar readiness rate compared to F-35A.

Hürjet is designed from the ground up to be the trainer for the 5th gen fighters. Hürjet naval can be a great option for the training of F-35C pilots.

 

[Yasar_TR]

What? UK MoD will buy J-35 before they spend billions and years on converting the carriers to CATOBAR. That's not happening.

I agree with the first part of your sentence.
But both carriers were built with provisions to operate with CATOBAR should the STOVL system proves to be inefficient. It is almost like FFBNW. The construction of the deck, under deck and overall systems are ready to accept the fitting of a catapult and arresting wires. But the cost involved will most likely deter Royal Navy from adapting it. It is not just the conversion of ships’ hardware; But the teams that are needed for the CATOBAR are very special. I remember reading a Royal Navy expert’s view on the subject that these teams are trained for 40 weeks with 50% failure rate before they are chosen as operative teams. And they are continually tested and continuously trained to be at their best as it is an unforgiving job. This is not cheap. Your naval force needs to have deep pockets like US Navy.
Also having only two ships is a big factor as these carriers are also used as LPD and LHDs, both carriers may not have the full complement of jet fighters on board. So keeping crews and equipment for both is a costly process.

According to Royal Navy, the F-35Bs may trade off some range and payload yet they are still an excellent performer for STOVL capability. That provides flexibility and a high sortie rate. Old Harrier pilots have all commented how much easier it is to control and fly the F35B.
Infact some of the non-STOVL specific innovations of the UK’s Naval Air Warfare Centre had come up with, went into the Ford-class carriers to do the same improvements for the USN. UK and MBDA are developing most of their aerial attack munitions with a view to be used by F35B.

Also to be remembered that with F35Bs, turn around times are quicker and sortie rate is higher with STOVL and they can operate in rough seas (e.g. South Atlantic) when CATOBAR aircraft are grounded. Add to this the smaller number of planes deployed from each carrier, the F35B is the ideal choice. That is why Italy now is adopting them, with Spain to follow suit soon. Also Japan is to do the same as they are buying 42 of the B version.

South Korea has dropped their F35B project and have chosen to go along with UAV carrier. With our KE and Anka3 we should follow suit with the South Koreans.

 

[Spitfire9]

I think F-35Bs will be retired. It is a failed product. UK will continue with F-35C.

I disagree. I think that F-35C would cost at least 3 billion dollars just for conversion to the EMALS catapult system for 2 carriers.

F-35B are used by RN and RAF. The time for the UK to consider what to do with its F-35B would be after the RAF had started receiving GCAP, currently scheduled to start delivery around 10 years from now.