• Forum restore complete (see latest announcement thread)

TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

Sanchez

Experienced member
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
4,190
Reactions
127 19,047
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Production of four more Hürjet prototypes, which will be the first group of 12 ordered by the Turkish Air Force for training and light attack configurations, is ongoing."

With the order from Spain and the expectation of additional orders from the Turkish Air Force and the Turkish Navy, we have further accelerated our preparations for mass production. We are planning a mass production infrastructure that will produce 2-3 Hürjet/month


Hürjet will get 4 more production prototypes which will later be transferred to air force. TurAF order is still for 12 aircraft per Demiroğlu, not 4+12.
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,804
Solutions
2
Reactions
148 26,908
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Production of four more Hürjet prototypes, which will be the first group of 12 ordered by the Turkish Air Force for training and light attack configurations, is ongoing."

With the order from Spain and the expectation of additional orders from the Turkish Air Force and the Turkish Navy, we have further accelerated our preparations for mass production. We are planning a mass production infrastructure that will produce 2-3 Hürjet/month


Hürjet will get 4 more production prototypes which will later be transferred to air force. TurAF order is still for 12 aircraft per Demiroğlu, not 4+12.
It seems like TN is finally getting the dedicated Naval Fighter, and they need Hürjet trainer for the Naval training school.
 

Saithan

Experienced member
Moderator
Denmark Correspondent
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
9,849
Reactions
66 21,993
Nation of residence
Denmark
Nation of origin
Turkey
I think he means Navalized combat jet, and not necessarily 5th gen.
 

boredaf

Experienced member
Messages
2,270
Solutions
1
Reactions
42 6,656
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
I think he means Navalized combat jet, and not necessarily 5th gen.
Everyone involved in that decision is fucking moron then, throwing money, resources and lives away at a vanity project. If we ever go to war and use that carrier, those jets will be hunted down like ducks while barely being able to carry out a meaningful sortie efficiency.
 

Saithan

Experienced member
Moderator
Denmark Correspondent
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
9,849
Reactions
66 21,993
Nation of residence
Denmark
Nation of origin
Turkey
Everyone involved in that decision is fucking moron then, throwing money, resources and lives away at a vanity project. If we ever go to war and use that carrier, those jets will be hunted down like ducks while barely being able to carry out a meaningful sortie efficiency.
How many Navalized jets do we have ? How many years experience of take og and landing on a carrier.

0

So I don't think it's bad to get started anywhere.

Not necessarily at 5th gen
 

Mis_TR_Like

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
1,981
Reactions
50 7,515
Nation of residence
Australia
Nation of origin
Northern Cyprus
Everyone involved in that decision is fucking moron then, throwing money, resources and lives away at a vanity project. If we ever go to war and use that carrier, those jets will be hunted down like ducks while barely being able to carry out a meaningful sortie efficiency.

Pilots of a 5th-6th gen naval carrier based fighter would go from land based Hürjet straight to the naval one, which would include training on some specific naval weapons and systems.

Personally I'm not a big fan of using Hürjet in combat, but an armed, naval Hürjet for advanced training is necessary.
 

boredaf

Experienced member
Messages
2,270
Solutions
1
Reactions
42 6,656
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
Pilots of a 5th-6th gen naval carrier based fighter would go from land based Hürjet straight to the naval one, which would include training on some specific naval weapons and systems.

Personally I'm not a big fan of using Hürjet in combat, but an armed, naval Hürjet for advanced training is necessary.
How many Navalized jets do we have ? How many years experience of take og and landing on a carrier.

0

So I don't think it's bad to get started anywhere.

Not necessarily at 5th gen
I am perfectly okay with it as a naval trainer, but using it in as fighter jet on an aircraft carrier is a terrible choice right now and it is only going to become an even worse decision as time passes. Making all the necessary changes so that it can take off and land from a carrier is great, but trying to turn a trainer, which we don't even have an engine project for let alone an actual engine, into the main fighter for a carrier makes zero sense. One block to engine sales and you have a very expensive paperweight and it is far easier to get engines for a trainer than combat aircraft.
 

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
4,277
Reactions
263 22,332
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
Pilots of a 5th-6th gen naval carrier based fighter would go from land based Hürjet straight to the naval one, which would include training on some specific naval weapons and systems.

Personally I'm not a big fan of using Hürjet in combat, but an armed, naval Hürjet for advanced training is necessary.
Good idea. As a trainer definitely. But as a combat fighter it is quite a bit suspect. This plane is not going to hold its own against even a 4th generation plane. Never mind a 5th generation one.
 
T

TR_123456

Guest
Good idea. As a trainer definitely. But as a combat fighter it is quite a bit suspect. This plane is not going to hold its own against even a 4th generation plane. Never mind a 5th generation one.
In what scenario would we be using them against 4th gen fighter jets?
All our enemies are nearby.
I think a squadron could be valuable when ''touring'' Africa(Sudan,Somalia),they would be standby in case of rapid response..
 

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
4,277
Reactions
263 22,332
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
In what scenario would we be using them against 4th gen fighter jets?
All our enemies are nearby.
I think a squadron could be valuable when ''touring'' Africa(Sudan,Somalia),they would be standby in case of rapid response..
Greece, Israel, Egypt, UAE all have top end 4th and 4.5th generation planes. France carries naval Rafale on their carrier.
Eastern med, Aegean, Libya and in Red Sea horn you would have to contend with the above mentioned countries’ airforces. Never forget, today’s friends can easily turn out to be tomorrow’s enemies. And of course vice versa.
 
Last edited:

Zafer

Experienced member
Messages
5,653
Reactions
15 8,712
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
You can team Hürjet with Kızılelma or Anka3, this 6th gen feature can make Hürjet a fearsome encounter for any opponent.
 

Sanchez

Experienced member
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
4,190
Reactions
127 19,047
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Both prototypes were in Erzurum for cold weather tests. Per AA, 3 aircraft per month is expected instead of the original 2.

Simple detail, both prototypes were in air. Wonder what's the latest sortie number for the program is. They were on flight 300 back on October 10.
There are now at "about 400" sorties. Flight tests are going spectacularly so far.

1769253218368.png


1769253265110.png


 

Sanchez

Experienced member
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
4,190
Reactions
127 19,047
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
But as a combat fighter it is quite a bit suspect. This plane is not going to hold its own against even a 4th generation plane. Never mind a 5th generation one.
It definitely won't kinematically, but Hurjet will still have a very potent AESA radar and will be teamed up with KE, as well as AWACS drones from the carrier group. I think it makes sense in our usecase; at worst it will be used to command the drones. I think the first iteration we will see regardless be a land based fixed wing jet for the navy, to get them up to speed on high speed fixed wing aircraft. If F-35B comes in a decade or somehow Kaan finds its way to the navy, we will have the knowhow, the training regimens in place.
 

Zafer

Experienced member
Messages
5,653
Reactions
15 8,712
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Hürjet LCA can be a good asset for nations who need it, Malaysia could use it.
I wonder what Malaysians are thinking about it nowadays.
 

Sanchez

Experienced member
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
4,190
Reactions
127 19,047
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Hürjet LCA can be a good asset for nations who need it, Malaysia could use it.
I wonder what Malaysians are thinking about it nowadays.
More F/A-50s apparently.
 

Khagan1923

Contributor
Messages
1,275
Reactions
25 5,392
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
Both prototypes were in Erzurum for cold weather tests. Per AA, 3 aircraft per month is expected instead of the original 2.


There are now at "about 400" sorties. Flight tests are going spectacularly so far.

View attachment 79133

View attachment 79135

Always hilarious to me whenever I see mainly americans call this bird weird looking. Probably the best looking trainer/lca in the world right now.

Can't wait for it to reach its full potential in a couple years. I think Hürjet will sell like hot chocolate on a very cold winters day :)
 

Zafer

Experienced member
Messages
5,653
Reactions
15 8,712
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
More F/A-50s apparently.
I bet they would wait a few years longer if they knew it would be favoured over others going forward. While also Malaysians are allegedly not really getting any offsets in their deal. Therefore it makes a difference when you have something to show for what you are building ASAP, which applies for Kaan too and it worked there.
 

Fuzuli NL

Experienced member
Germany Correspondent
Messages
3,585
Reactions
60 10,079
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
Always hilarious to me whenever I see mainly americans call this bird weird looking. Probably the best looking trainer/lca in the world right now.

Can't wait for it to reach its full potential in a couple years. I think Hürjet will sell like hot chocolate on a very cold winters day :)
It is beautiful, but I think they may be referring to its top view.
The rear part of the fuselage looks very straight. Maybe that's it.

Personally, as I may have stated before, I'm in love with it.
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom