I used to work from 6:00 am to 3:00pm shift so slept at 9:00pm on 26th Nov. and when I reached office on 27th my team in wisconsine messaged me and asked are you OK , I said what happen then they informed me and then i saw news .
They were sounding more angry then me because 9/11 was very fresh till then .
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@Waz has asked me a question in a locked thread
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What do you mean "how many elections Balochis have voted in", they've voted in every election every other Pakistani has voted in.
Why are you bringing in nuclear proliferation and Bin Ladin into this? We're discussing Kashmir here, stop diverting the topic.
We care for the Kashmiris. Ok let's say you're right about them being crocodile tears, that's still a hell of a lot better when we have chief minister's in India saying their men should "take" Kashmiri brides, alongside the disgusting social media trends of desperate so called men on how they are coming for Kashmiri girls.
If Azad Kashmir is disputed then hold the vote for the whole region and let's decide this. But you you know how the result will go, hence since Nehru's passing it's never been talked about.
I mean -
1. How many total chances have Balochis had to vote in elections? And let's compare that to the number of chances Kashmiris have had. I haven't looked at the numbers but it is safe to assume, Kashmiris have had a much greater freedom to exercise their democratic rights than Balochis and indeed any other Pakistanis.
2. The point of bringing Bin Laden and proliferation into the discussion is to establish the credentials of Pakistan as a state which can't possibly be trusted to keep its word.
3. Why did Pak not immediately evacuate PoK to enable holding a vote under UN auspices?
4. After Pak ensured there was a demographic change in the Valley due to the exodus of Pandits, after Pak injected religion into the issue, it now wants to hold a plebiscite.
5. When India had offered much of the Valley to Pak during the Swaran Singh Bhutto talks prior to 1965, why did Pak insist on getting Buddhist majority Ladakh too?
6. Yes, Nehru made a statement in Lal Chowk that people of Kashmir can decide their future thru a plebiscite. Lest we forget, that promise was made when Pakistan housed the highest number of Muslims in South Asia and was also a secular state that Jinnah had said it would be.
Now given that Pandits have been driven out of the Valley and the sizeable population of Buddhists and Hindus in J&K (but not in Valley), why would anyone agree to a plebiscite which would automatically render these people as second class citizens?
This is what he typed (in italics). The reply is below.
What do you mean "how many elections Balochis have voted in", they've voted in every election every other Pakistani has voted in.
Why are you bringing in nuclear proliferation and Bin Ladin into this? We're discussing Kashmir here, stop diverting the topic.
We care for the Kashmiris. Ok let's say you're right about them being crocodile tears, that's still a hell of a lot better when we have chief minister's in India saying their men should "take" Kashmiri brides, alongside the disgusting social media trends of desperate so called men on how they are coming for Kashmiri girls.
If Azad Kashmir is disputed then hold the vote for the whole region and let's decide this. But you you know how the result will go, hence since Nehru's passing it's never been talked about.
I mean -
1. How many total chances have Balochis had to vote in elections? And let's compare that to the number of chances Kashmiris have had. I haven't looked at the numbers but it is safe to assume, Kashmiris have had a much greater freedom to exercise their democratic rights than Balochis and indeed any other Pakistanis.
2. The point of bringing Bin Laden and proliferation into the discussion is to establish the credentials of Pakistan as a state which can't possibly be trusted to keep its word.
3. Why did Pak not immediately evacuate PoK to enable holding a vote under UN auspices?
4. After Pak ensured there was a demographic change in the Valley due to the exodus of Pandits, after Pak injected religion into the issue, it now wants to hold a plebiscite.
5. When India had offered much of the Valley to Pak during the Swaran Singh Bhutto talks prior to 1965, why did Pak insist on getting Buddhist majority Ladakh too?
6. Yes, Nehru made a statement in Lal Chowk that people of Kashmir can decide their future thru a plebiscite. Lest we forget, that promise was made when Pakistan housed the highest number of Muslims in South Asia and was also a secular state that Jinnah had said it would be.
Now given that Pandits have been driven out of the Valley and the sizeable population of Buddhists and Hindus in J&K (but not in Valley), why would anyone agree to a plebiscite which would automatically render these people as second class citizens?
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Context of such speeches is very important:
Nehru’s First Speech On Kashmir
Prime Minister Narendra Modi, last week, commented that had Sardar Patel been in the driving seat, “entire Kashmir would have been ours”, has triggered a lot of discussion and debate. In this backdrop, the first public broadcast by Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, India’s first Prime Minister, is a...
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So this is what he said -Context of such speeches is very important:
Nehru’s First Speech On Kashmir
Prime Minister Narendra Modi, last week, commented that had Sardar Patel been in the driving seat, “entire Kashmir would have been ours”, has triggered a lot of discussion and debate. In this backdrop, the first public broadcast by Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, India’s first Prime Minister, is a...
"And here let me make clear that it has been our policy all along that where there is a dispute about the accession of a State to either Dominion, die decision must be made by the people of that State. It was in accordance with this policy that we added a proviso to the Instrument of Accession of Kashmir."
Nothing else?
Wonder if his biggest fan @Kaptaan agrees.
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Apt,Pakistan wanted plebiscite only when they ensured that demography has been changed and islamisation of kashmir has followed.
Exactly. When Islamization doesn't work, then it is "Direct Action Day".
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I mean more the context of raider, invader and Pak govt complicity in it (violation of standstill agreement they signed with the State).
Nehru uses these words and language quite directly given what the Kashmir govt + assembly members (at the time) were saying.
This would play big course in forming basis of Sheikh Abdullah (among others) relations with Indian govt going forward...as Pakistan illustrated it was not interested to vacate what it had seized (illegally) from State of Kashmir.
It was confirmed what Pakistan was turning into when objective resolutions passed in 1949 some time later (which was totally anathema to Sheikh Abdullah).
65 and then especially 71 put this all to bed in worst possible way for Pakistan's already flimsiest of cases....and continue as stark reminders whenever their establishment bray "human rights". Especially after the terrorist forces they injected from the experience in 80s Afghan war.
One may sympathise somewhat with Baltistanis being retained under Dogra rule in Kashmir after last Anglo-Sikh war.. (Batlistanis, Mirpuris etc were given no choice at the time).
But that kind of thing is terrible casus belli to use (in the manner of armed intervention) in case of era of ongoing partition and patchwork of kingdoms that subcontinent found itself in at the time. That too in the manner it was done (violating an agreement signed with the other party).
I will maybe expand on all this later....especially with relation to Article 370 abrogation.
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Please don't bait other members of forum (esp mods) here please.
This forum is supposed to be tea room not a fish market spectacle.
These kind of topics are very sensitive, so dont make job harder for moderators (given this is international forum in end) than it already is.
This forum is supposed to be tea room not a fish market spectacle.
These kind of topics are very sensitive, so dont make job harder for moderators (given this is international forum in end) than it already is.
Read this bit of news about elections in PoK
www.timesnownews.com
Even the election candidates there seem to be clamoring for India.
PoK polls: 'Will seek India's help' if admin fails to cooperate, says PML-N candidate
While speaking to media in Gujranwala on Sunday, Choudhary Muhammad Ismail Gujjar from LA-35 Jammu-2, said his election camp was "dismantled" despite the presence of police personnel, Geo News reported.
Even the election candidates there seem to be clamoring for India.
they better watch that their own side stays with them
I wanted to reply him in same thread but Pakistani's old tactics at work.. shoot and run...
One thing.. they Always come back so i will have my time...
"bakre ki amma kab tak khair manayegi"
Excellent interview. He has been doing very good.
