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Indian OPVs are really bigger with very very less armaments. In war these are sitting ducks. Atleast the helicopters used here must have ASW capability. Or OPV roles should be completely given to ICG. Should prioritize acquisition of capital warships

OPV is not meant for wartime though. They are peacetime security operation, but you are right these should maybe be allocated to CG instead.

The endurance requirements are what determine their major design driver in India's case along with the coastal sensor network post 2008 Mumbai attacks.

Actually its the endurance and range here that has put them under Navy operational sphere (given training and networking infra) compared to CG.
 

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OPV is not meant for wartime though. They are peacetime security operation, but you are right these should maybe be allocated to CG instead.

The endurance requirements are what determine their major design driver in India's case along with the coastal sensor network post 2008 Mumbai attacks.

Actually its the endurance and range here that has put them under Navy operational sphere (given training and networking infra) compared to CG.
IN OPV ship if sunk during wartime is a major morale buster for personnel. The Navy OPV and ICG armament specs are mostly the same except the ICG OPV weights 1000 tons less at 2500t. It’s just we are waiting for minesweepers, more subs, destroyers (we have less destroyers & frigates than South Korea), helis etc.
 

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IN OPV ship if sunk during wartime is a major morale buster for personnel. The Navy OPV and ICG armament specs are mostly the same except the ICG OPV weights 1000 tons less at 2500t. It’s just we are waiting for minesweepers, more subs, destroyers (we have less destroyers & frigates than South Korea), helis etc.

The OPVs IN (or CG) have will be nowhere near a wartime theatre, they will be sanitised/corraled away from the operational spaces foreseen along with regular (peacetime) shipping traffic.....i.e the body public of shipping they are tasked with being around to begin with for ROI of general/specific security for those kind of ships.

They are not meant in any capacity to work with the Carrier strike groups and/or destroyer strike groups or other such flotillas for wartime. They cannot even keep station with them to begin with and offer no benefit to capabilities....and only risks.

The CG is Indian law enforcement in the end, unlike the navy which is military arm (though they do share and cooperate on much relevant training and planning in peacetime operations). There may be a case to make the CG a military arm like say with the US, but thats different subject.

Regd the specs you need to go a few layers deeper (as to why both CG and IN have OPVs) into the OPV classes themselves, regarding their sensor/comms capability (as to why this capacity in the IN ones for example bring them under their training role compared to CG)....w.r.t say the training and operational architecture and delegation in say the coastal sensor network (there is joint presence of CG and IN here for a reason too.....but there are different delegations according to the objective space of each regarding what they are network tasked with in the security layers and capabilities).
 

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Rest of it concerns with if you have X amount of total shipyard capacity for say a forseen chunk of 10 years dictating current production run dynamics etc.... how much do you allot to wartime vs peacetime needs.....a distillation of the threat analysis (to then debate within that context).

If 2008 mumbai attack didnt happen for example, yes there could have been a different arc uptil now with even more focus on warships.....but obviously peacetime needs factor into the equation post-2008 and now with the piracy/houthi stuff going on too.

Similar to if economy grew faster than it did from 2008 till now to also scale up shipyards (berth numbers and more shipyards, labour, capital etc....both capex and opex required) to grow X---> Y total capacity too.....that is simply a different arc again.

Warships are very expensive to train and operate for these level of things (compared to OPV)....past building them too.
 

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Karwar naval base in 2014
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By 2024
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Will become the largest naval base in the eastern hemisphere when all the upgrade plans are realised.
 
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