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Iran and the USA?
How did that happen?

Both show up for Raisina dialogue conference regularly as well.

Things can get awkward (especially in some interviews) but they are kept apart to reduce the chance of real friction etc.

Its nothing these days compared to US and Russia still going on like nothing happened in the International Space Station and other things after all thats been said and done since 2022....thats really weird to watch, though launch-wise thats set to expire in 2025.
 

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Three pictures that beautifully illustrate the difference in size between the Kamorta-class corvette (~3300 tons)...

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...the Shivalik-class frigate (~6200 tons)...

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...and in turn the Shivalik next to a Kolkata-class destroyer (~7500 tons):

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India will receive two Russian-made warships in the next few months as the two countries work around U.S. sanctions that have complicated purchases of Russian arms, unnamed Indian officials told Bloomberg.

New Delhi has positioned itself as neutral in the Russia-Ukraine war, calling for a diplomatic solution while fostering close economic ties with Moscow. India has become one of the chief buyers of Russian oil following Western sanctions, although pressure from U.S. sanctions increasingly threatens this trade.

At the same time, Ukraine has sought to engage India and obtain its support for President Volodymyr Zelenky's peace formula, as well as other economic partnerships.

One ship will likely be delivered to India in September, with another expected to arrive early next year, the senior officials said. The delivery of the vessels is reportedly two years behind schedule because of Russia's war in Ukraine.

The two frigates are part of an four-ship agreement signed between India and Russia back in 2018, according to Bloomberg's article published on April 5. The other two ships are being built in India in cooperation with Russia but are also experiencing delays due to war-related supply issues, the officials said.

U.S. sanctions imposed on Russia over its full-scale invasion of Ukraine had impeded weapons deliveries to India for over a year as the countries grappled with finding a payment mechanism compliant with U.S. sanctions, Bloomberg wrote.

India and Russia were eventually able to bypass the payment problem, according to the outlet's sources, who didn't provide further details.

Russia remains India's largest supplier of military equipment, accounting for 36% of India's arms imports, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
 

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Indian OPVs are really bigger with very very less armaments. In war these are sitting ducks. Atleast the helicopters used here must have ASW capability. Or OPV roles should be completely given to ICG. Should prioritize acquisition of capital warships

OPV is not meant for wartime though. They are peacetime security operation, but you are right these should maybe be allocated to CG instead.

The endurance requirements are what determine their major design driver in India's case along with the coastal sensor network post 2008 Mumbai attacks.

Actually its the endurance and range here that has put them under Navy operational sphere (given training and networking infra) compared to CG.
 

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OPV is not meant for wartime though. They are peacetime security operation, but you are right these should maybe be allocated to CG instead.

The endurance requirements are what determine their major design driver in India's case along with the coastal sensor network post 2008 Mumbai attacks.

Actually its the endurance and range here that has put them under Navy operational sphere (given training and networking infra) compared to CG.
IN OPV ship if sunk during wartime is a major morale buster for personnel. The Navy OPV and ICG armament specs are mostly the same except the ICG OPV weights 1000 tons less at 2500t. It’s just we are waiting for minesweepers, more subs, destroyers (we have less destroyers & frigates than South Korea), helis etc.
 

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IN OPV ship if sunk during wartime is a major morale buster for personnel. The Navy OPV and ICG armament specs are mostly the same except the ICG OPV weights 1000 tons less at 2500t. It’s just we are waiting for minesweepers, more subs, destroyers (we have less destroyers & frigates than South Korea), helis etc.

The OPVs IN (or CG) have will be nowhere near a wartime theatre, they will be sanitised/corraled away from the operational spaces foreseen along with regular (peacetime) shipping traffic.....i.e the body public of shipping they are tasked with being around to begin with for ROI of general/specific security for those kind of ships.

They are not meant in any capacity to work with the Carrier strike groups and/or destroyer strike groups or other such flotillas for wartime. They cannot even keep station with them to begin with and offer no benefit to capabilities....and only risks.

The CG is Indian law enforcement in the end, unlike the navy which is military arm (though they do share and cooperate on much relevant training and planning in peacetime operations). There may be a case to make the CG a military arm like say with the US, but thats different subject.

Regd the specs you need to go a few layers deeper (as to why both CG and IN have OPVs) into the OPV classes themselves, regarding their sensor/comms capability (as to why this capacity in the IN ones for example bring them under their training role compared to CG)....w.r.t say the training and operational architecture and delegation in say the coastal sensor network (there is joint presence of CG and IN here for a reason too.....but there are different delegations according to the objective space of each regarding what they are network tasked with in the security layers and capabilities).
 

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Rest of it concerns with if you have X amount of total shipyard capacity for say a forseen chunk of 10 years dictating current production run dynamics etc.... how much do you allot to wartime vs peacetime needs.....a distillation of the threat analysis (to then debate within that context).

If 2008 mumbai attack didnt happen for example, yes there could have been a different arc uptil now with even more focus on warships.....but obviously peacetime needs factor into the equation post-2008 and now with the piracy/houthi stuff going on too.

Similar to if economy grew faster than it did from 2008 till now to also scale up shipyards (berth numbers and more shipyards, labour, capital etc....both capex and opex required) to grow X---> Y total capacity too.....that is simply a different arc again.

Warships are very expensive to train and operate for these level of things (compared to OPV)....past building them too.
 

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ANI Asia
2 min read Last Updated : Jun 14 2024 | 1:15 PM IST

India and France are carrying out negotiations for the price and other related issues for the all-important 26 Rafale Marine fighter aircraft deal for the Indian Navy.

The talks were earlier supposed to be held on May 30 but were postponed to June second week, apparently in view of the pending election process of the Lok Sabha polls.

"The French delegation is in New Delhi, including officials from their Directorate General of Armament which is looking after the sale of the Rafale jets to India," defence sources told ANI.

The Indian side in these government-to-government talks is represented by the officials from the Directorate General of Acquisition under the Ministry of Defence and other military officers from the user side, they said.

The overall project is likely to be worth over Rs 50,000 crore and would help increase the number of these advanced aircraft in the Indian inventory to 62 with the existing 36 in the Air Force fleet.

The aircraft would be operated from the aircraft carriers of the Indian Navy including the INS Vikramaditya and the INS Vikrant.

As per the plans, the Indian Navy will deploy these aircraft at the INS Degha in Vishakhapatnam in Andhra Pradesh as their home base.

France had submitted its response to India's tender for buying 26 Rafale Marine jets for the Indian Navy's aircraft carriers - INS Vikrant and INS Vikramaditya in December last year.

The response to India's Letter of Acceptance had been submitted by France in New Delhi.

Indian side is carrying out negotiations with French government officials, as it is a government-to-government contract and India is trying to get a better deal.
 

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