Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Madokafc]

There is lot that you can double dip in weapons platform ecosystem be it missiles, sensors, and radars into AF anyway....by focusing on growing the biggest (use) ecosystem that is navy (that I see for Indonesia critical defence strategy up to 2050).

Indonesia should also consider ramping up naval aviation big time.

It is a maritime state....it has to really go big here.

That's the only way to ensure our Independence, to safeguard our Air and Sea domain

 

[Parry Brima]

I’m not only talking about Rafale dan F15 EX, but the entire modernization program that is currently in the pipeline. The RMP disagreement between MoD and MoF is happening and will prevent the realization of bulk modernization because MoF simply don’t have 15% cash as RMP. Why MoF insisted to put money they don’t have as requirement? If MoF can’t even provide the 15% RMP to MoD it will be ridiculuous to make it as an obligation, whereas you actually don’t need it. Or MoF just want to make life difficult for MoD?

RMP will lower the interest payment? Where do you think the 15% will be coming from? Govt bonds market! It will be coming from utangan too, with higher interest rates.

MoF is much cleaner than MoD? Cleaner doesn’t mean clean right?

You dont answer the question why MoF insisted to put 15% RMP while the budget is tight and the lender doesn’t require any down payment (0%).

Even bothering is the fact that the RMP will be coming from MoD own budget. Why MoF wants to make MoD life miserable?

It’s a simple scheme. MoD wants to buy everything upfront in bulk, and pay the cicilan every year around Rp30 Triliun (from their already allocated budget for procurement) for the next 15-20 years. MoD is able to secure zero down payment commitment with the lenders (who offer bery low interest rates and longer payment period), so the procurement can go ahead as soon as possible. But suddenly MoF insisted to put 15% RMP as an obligation upfront (which is they don’t have the money anyway).

logic?

MoF broke law so many times and getaway with it. Do you know how they make up budget shortage during pandemic since tax collection is low? By breaking the law! Getting loan trough ‘creative’ law bending mechanism.

and you still talking about prudent fiscal policy?

RMP can be written off if deemed necessary by the government. In this case, all the related ministries, DPR and the president itself has agreed to MoD scheme. The only ministry that doesn’t agree (yet) is MoF.

About the interest rates, how can you beat G2G loan interest rates with market (B2G) rates? MoD will mostly use G2G loan, whereas MoF always seek loan from the market (commercial). That will be a huge rate differences. And please enlighten us here at defencehub, what is the average interest rates that MoF has been secured from commercial market in the last 7 years of Jokowi’s admin? It’s 10,4% for God sake! Are u kidding me?

Rata-rata bunga utang pemerintah Indonesia 10,4%

Rata-rata Bunga Utang RI 10,44% per Tahun

Abtrindo Bond index yang mewakili indeks surat utang negara telah meningkat 170,25% selama 10 tahun atau return rata-rata sebesar 10,44% per tahun.

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Dude, I'm liking what you post here. You definitely should post more

 

[Parry Brima]

Well, the episode seems to be long. Definitely not just an aftermath

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442931084849602563

After getting humiliated by the US in Australia, wonder if he knows that his beloved fighter is currently in another fierce battle against the US products in another Indo-Pacific country

Humiliated by the US second time in a row? Surely that will send even stronger earthquake across EU

 

[Chestnut]

Well then, this could also be translated as "If the US refused to offer us those weapons and we have to buy ones with similar capabilities from Europe, that will cost us more for integrating them into F-16V, why not just buy fighter from an European country which have those weapons already integrated in the first place?"

Because a lot of European made weapons still don't integrate with aircraft of European origin. Some French weapons don't even integrate with the Eurofighter, and some UK weapons don't integrate with the Rafale. It's the same problem but more expensive since you're basically paying the European premium. The F-16 is the most plentiful fighter aircraft in the world. There's already a plethora of non US weapon options you can choose from that's already integrated with it with US approval.

 

[Umigami]

THE BIGGEST QUESTION NOW is WHEN ALL THIS DRAMA END?

 

[schuimpjes]

I never got this whole Rafale

Maybe MoD doesn't like FMS scheme? @Chestnut maybe you can enlighten me

 

[NEKO]

Perpres no 85 tahun 2021, there is budget for five year to build up facilities in Natuna

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Any details about the target that they try to achieve?

Well, the episode seems to be long. Definitely not just an aftermath

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442931084849602563

After getting humiliated by the US in Australia, wonder if he knows that his beloved fighter is currently in another fierce battle against the US products in another Indo-Pacific country

Humiliated by the US second time in a row? Surely that will send even stronger earthquake across EU

I hope they will be more independent from the US, I think that will good for us.

 

[Madokafc]

Any details about the target that they try to achieve?


I hope they will be more independent from the US, I think that will good for us.

Drone !!!

 

[FPXAllen]

I think you can just put it on F16 without "ribet" if the original country use it for F16 too

That pretty much makes Turkey as our only realistic option then? I mean, sure, Israel, South Korea and Japan have also developed weapons for their F-16 (or F-2 in Japan's case) although once again, I don't know much about SK's range of products to comment. On the other hand, while Japan is going to mass produce their ASM-3 soon (which capabilities are vastly superior to Harpoon), I don't know whether they will allow it for export.

Regarding Israel, while I don't care if we decided to buy Israeli weapons but this will likely cause political uproar by some people here.

Because a lot of European made weapons still don't integrate with aircraft of European origin. Some French weapons don't even integrate with the Eurofighter, and some UK weapons don't integrate with the Rafale. It's the same problem but more expensive since you're basically paying the European premium. The F-16 is the most plentiful fighter aircraft in the world. THere's already a plethora of non US weapon options you can choose from that's already integrated with it with US approval.

Ah yes. The "sejuta umat" jet fighter. If it's a car, it's probably similar to Toyota Kijang or Avanza here and I mean it as a compliment.

Anyway, as I stated before, I'm not against F-16V especially if it objectively is the most cost-effective solution to what the Indonesian air force truly needs and if it comes complete with other weapon packages (anti-radiation, stand off missiles, etc).

I still hope to see F-15EX in TNI-AU marking soon, though.

 

[FPXAllen]

Drone !!!

No more Chinese drones, I hope.

 

[FPXAllen]

wonder if he knows that his beloved fighter is currently in another fierce battle against the US products in another Indo-Pacific country

Oh he knows. I would like to think that he already briefed his ministers and related parties to win Rafale and Scorpene contracts here at all cost.

 

[Lordimperator]

Drone !!!

Bayraktar? Wing loong? Elang hitam?

 

[Lordimperator]

Oh he knows. I would like to think that he already briefed his ministers and related parties to win

And for the upcoming france election too

 

[schuimpjes]

Drone !!!
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Literally cry if that just more Scan Eagle or something like that.

 

[NEKO]

Drone !!!
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There is plans for sarpras and alpalkamla, hoping for some new military bases (navy, army, air force), and the budget should not only for TNI but also bakamla, bakamla need budget to strengthen them self in Natuna (sarpras, kapal, operasional).

 

[FPXAllen]

Elang hitam?

If it's up to me, even if its UCAV version is ready to be mass produced by then, I will not depend only on it to be based in Natuna.

 

[NEKO]

Anyway, as I stated before, I'm not against F-16V especially if it objectively is the most cost-effective solution to what the Indonesian air force truly needs and if it comes complete with other weapon packages (anti-radiation, stand off missiles, etc).

I still hope to see F-15EX in TNI-AU marking soon, though.

What are you? A tsundere?
Ba... baka... ÒωÓ

 

[Madokafc]

 

[schuimpjes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442931084849602563

It's more like he want to shows himself as someone that want to make France independent to attract Le Pen and Zemmour supporters that has ultranationalist view.

 

[FPXAllen]

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We surely need a proper ASW (not just MPA) aircraft.

Anyone hear something about this?