Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[whatintarnation]

possible KFC continuation

lol

 

[Caksakerah]

I know, but looking at project they are already into such as emlu, possible KFC continuation, N219 production, UAV, I seriously doubt they have enough human resources and other resources to get it done. I hope Im wrong because I hate it at the end of the day they going to be asking for state fund placement or being late in delivery for their other order just like they did before.

AFAIK MoD asked for $20 bil total up until 2024. How much they going to be disburse yearly is up to Kemenkeu and MoD. This multiyears payment systems is rather new so I think Kemenhan and Kemenkeu will work closely together to prepare for the project funding.

The $30-$40 bil is the rumour of ceiling credit line French is willing to open for us.

Thats a hell lot of money! If the number and offer are true, we should done the selection carefully and properly. And also shall have and push for proper technology transfer.

Btw, wondering what kind tech transfer from rafale deal. Seems no Dassault reps visiting DI facilities so far.

 

[Caksakerah]

The problem is operating cost. Procurement cost is easy since we can always take another loan.

Agree. Suggest to have life cycle cost analysis & comparison consisting Capex (procurement) and Opex (operation, maintenance, upgrading, etc) for each high value and critical defense article procurement.

If we can have these, we can get clearer big picture and better decision.

 

[l3onhard]

I prefer 16 rafales and 15 typhoon. Too much rafales will be logistic nightmare. Also don't forget awacs and helos

 

[Chestnut]

Why would you even need Typhoons at this point?

 

[Initial_D]

Are there's no plan on purchasing more used F-16!?

 

[Mandala]

Credit to Lembaga Keris.

https://m.facebook.com/lembagakeris/

 

[Kansel]

Hello guys, we've met again looking forward for a great discussion in here and i hope i can contribute some

 

[Basith90]

1In 2020 the Oerlikon Skyshield Gun MK3 if the Oerlikon Skyshield MK2 hasn't used IFF.

The plan KASAU to purchase MK3 is 11 units of FU, maybe 3 units of FU have just arrived.

I quote the words from Indomiliter Link with Bahasa Indonesia I translate to English.

Along with the release of the Oerlikon Skyshield MK3, Rheinmetall also introduced the Skynex Air Defense system, which is of course linked to canons and radars. At IDEX 2017 which took place in Abu Dhabi last February, Rheinmetall released the X-TAR3D search radar. This modular unmanned radar system with ECCM (Electronic counter-countermeasure) capability becomes a tracking sense for the Skyshield canon, on this radar an IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) process is also carried out.

What does it mean with 11 unit FU? Is it the firing unit or the revolver gun it self? I wonder where did AU placed this Skyshield in our Lanud

 

[JATOSINT]

Why would you even need Typhoons at this point?

Exactly

If Prabowo doesn't even interested in F-16V, why should he interested in Typhoon?

 

[JATOSINT]

In 2020 the Oerlikon Skyshield Gun MK3 if the Oerlikon Skyshield MK2 hasn't used IFF.

The plan KASAU to purchase MK3 is 11 units of FU, maybe 3 units of FU have just arrived.

I quote the words from Indomiliter Link with Bahasa Indonesia I translate to English.

Along with the release of the Oerlikon Skyshield MK3, Rheinmetall also introduced the Skynex Air Defense system, which is of course linked to canons and radars. At IDEX 2017 which took place in Abu Dhabi last February, Rheinmetall released the X-TAR3D search radar. This modular unmanned radar system with ECCM (Electronic counter-countermeasure) capability becomes a tracking sense for the Skyshield canon, on this radar an IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) process is also carried out.

Oerlikon Revolver Gun MK3: Varian Terbaru Kanon Skyshield Untuk Denhanud Paskhas TNI AU

Sukses dalam beberapa kali uji penembakkan membuat Detasemen Pertahanan Udara (Denhanud) Paskhas cukup puas dengan kinerja kanon Oerlikon Skyshield 35 mm. Bahkan di HUT RI Ke-71 tahun 2016, Fire Control Unit (FCU) yang terdiri dari dua pucuk Skyshield dipercaya untuk mengamankan wilayah obyek...

www.indomiliter.com

Do the previous MK2 can be upgraded into MK3?

Are you sure the three newly arrived FU is MK3? I don't see any sensor unit attached to the revolver gun in the picture that Kemhan released (kalau foto yg dirilis beneran FU yg lagi diuji ya dan bukan ilustrasi)

 

[Umigami]

Exactly

If Prabowo doesn't even interested in F-16V, why should he interested in Typhoon?

Because it's one of the best interceptor maybe. And double engine...

Typhoon is faster and has higher ceiling than Rafale.

 

[JATOSINT]

Because it's one of the best interceptor maybe. And double engine...

Typhoon is faster and has higher ceiling than Rafale.

Wait

We're still talking about Austria's Tranche 1 Typhoon right?

 

[Umigami]

Wait

We're still talking about Austria's Tranche 1 Typhoon right?

Yeah..

 

[Gundala]

Agree. Suggest to have life cycle cost analysis & comparison consisting Capex (procurement) and Opex (operation, maintenance, upgrading, etc) for each high value and critical defense article procurement.

If we can have these, we can get clearer big picture and better decision.

We know how to do LCC (Life Cycle Cost) and we did it in most major purchase I assume. But deciding on which assets to get isnt base on LCC solely, sometime due to geopolitics, economic, strategic, tactical , etc we are willing to absorb the higher LCC. Most of time LCC will help foreasting the cost related to maintaining, upgrading and operating the assets for budgetary purpose.

Why would you even need Typhoons at this point?

Thats the 1 bil dollar question right?

 

[Gary]

just my thoughts.

1. 14th Sqn will operate the Typhoons as pure interceptor
2. The Su-27Sk and 30Mk currently in the 14th Sqn will be returned to its original unit the 11th Sqn
3.F-16 will still be operated by the 3rd and 16th Sqn
4.the 36 Rafale (2 Sqn) will replace the Hawks in the 1st and 12th Sqn.

 

[Umigami]

just my thoughts.

1. 14th Sqn will operate the Typhoons as pure interceptor
2. The Su-27Sk and 30Mk currently in the 14th Sqn will be returned to its original unit the 11th Sqn
3.F-16 will still be operated by the 3rd and 16th Sqn
4.the 36 Rafale (2 Sqn) will replace the Hawks in the 1st and 12th Sqn.

I think some one here (or PDF) said we won't retired Hawk yet.
Is there a chance skadron 3 will get converted to rafale to protect Java?

 

[JATOSINT]

just my thoughts.

1. 14th Sqn will operate the Typhoons as pure interceptor
2. The Su-27Sk and 30Mk currently in the 14th Sqn will be returned to its original unit the 11th Sqn
3.F-16 will still be operated by the 3rd and 16th Sqn
4.the 36 Rafale (2 Sqn) will replace the Hawks in the 1st and 12th Sqn.

I think some one here (or PDF) said we won't retired Hawk yet.
Is there a chance skadron 3 will get converted to rafale to protect Java?

Don't forget we need to create/move one squadron to the east (NTT/Biak)

 

[Gary]

I think some one here (or PDF) said we won't retired Hawk yet.
Is there a chance skadron 3 will get converted to rafale to protect Java?

maybe, but iirc the Hawks are initially going to be replaced with F-16Vs, now that we know we won't have the Vipers, am placing my bet on the Rafales.

there's no necessities for the 3rd Sqn to be converted into a Rafale unit.

 

[Gary]

here's a link of the initial plan to replace Hawks with Vipers

Hawk TNI AU Kemungkinan Diganti F-16V, Skadron Tempur Baru Akan Dibentuk di Kupang

TNI Angkatan Udara telah merencanakan penggantian pesawat tempur taktis Hawk 100/200 yang kini masih dioperasikan oleh Skadron Udara 1 Lanud Supadio di Pontianak dan Skadron Udara 12 Lanud Roesmin Nurjadin di Pekanbaru.

www.airspace-review.com

and new Sqn in Kupang, @JATOSINT