Dont forget about the airlift, how many of them could be lifted with A400 and C130J for the future mobilizationI think they don't really need to have the same offroad capabilities as MBT because they don't need to maneuver closely with them...
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Dont forget about the airlift, how many of them could be lifted with A400 and C130J for the future mobilizationI think they don't really need to have the same offroad capabilities as MBT because they don't need to maneuver closely with them...
For now, but it would take more for the defense force of future capitol city in BorneoWell in that case or scenario, the Indonesian Police forces should suffice.
You still can use ship for that.Dont forget about the airlift, how many of them could be lifted with A400 and C130J for the future mobilization
I'm not saying we don't need heavy artillery. Thats why I compare Phz/K9 with Caesar. I just questioning whether the platform need to be tracked...Artillery is important for any military so does for Indonesia.
And why Indonesia shouldn't be getting heavy artillery?
A White Book actually never states or names a potential enemy - but simply forces and its branches equipment that could pose a threat. E.g. PLA, PLAF, PLAN, USN. USAF etc. basically the same reference but diplomatically a huge difference towards stating e.g. China or USA.Ah, I see your points.
Regarding Indonesian defense white book (or white paper), as far as I know the latest release was in 2015. There was no direct mention of any specific country as possible threat which - from my own perspective - was due to our "habit" (if you can call it that way) of "playing both sides" or putting each foot on one side. However, while it's not as encompassing as a white book, there's clearly a recognition of a certain country that is now being considered as having more potential to threaten Indonesia's sovereignty by direct action. This was shown in the document during the Indonesian Armed Forces officers training course a couple of years back.
Unlike Germany or most other countries your archipelago consists of thousands of islands - which individually (wherever the threat occurs) can only be supported, reinforced via ship or air. Indonesia doesn't have the economy to actually span an encompassing fixed defense throughout it's territory.Due to the nature of the country's geography, the heavy stuffs like army's MBTs and howitzers are usually stationed in certain islands where invasions will likely to happen. This is also a weakness, I presume, because it basically tied each of those units to where they are stationed and turned them as a defensive forces with limited mobility.
And they need to be increased far more - especially towards the Air-force - instead of "wasting/diverting" precious resources onto MBT's or heavy barreled artillery.This is why starting from the last decade or so, the procurement portions for the Navy and Air Force have gradually increased - dramatically so in the last few years.
Chinese populace: very peaceful and hard working people foremost interested in making $, so that one day they can buy a Mercedes or a second home.Anyway, sorry for being curious. As a German living in China, how do you see the Chinese populace's perspective regarding the issues specifically in relation to the standoff in the North Natuna Sea? Yes, I know that China has protested our decision to change the name of the location, and also yes, that I have some preconception regarding the answer to the question, but I still like to know from someone who still live there.
Artillery is certainly important - but one needs an effective artillery for a designed specified purpose/objective. Please see my reply to FPX ALLEN.Artillery is important for any military so does for Indonesia.
Japan who don't have any land border with other country have SPH and MLRS, and Australia will be getting new MLRS and SPH they also have no land border with other country and surely it won't be used against the emus.
And why Indonesia shouldn't be getting heavy artillery?
You still can use ship for that.
Nah.IMO it's China, because they want to trade and as such provide means for an ally or friendly nation to increase it's GDP - logically the more $ your partner can spend the better for China's own economy.
China's main policy is not the occupation of other nations, or stealing their resources but to push
WTF.. what happen about nine dash lines LOLChina's main policy is not the occupation of other nations, or stealing their resources but to push out US political dominance in Asia.
Well, we call it Free-Active Policy which Indonesia didn't take account in such military alliance (read Neutral), but as you can see today Indonesian Weapons and arms mostly made by western standard since the war of independence.what kind of alliance gives/provides them the better package overall
China's main policy is not the occupation of other nations, or stealing their resources but to push out US political dominance in Asia.
I'm a little bit suspicious about this Jagd guyWell, we call it Free-Active Policy which Indonesia didn't take account in such military alliance (read Neutral), but as you can see today Indonesian Weapons and arms mostly made by western standard since the war of independence.
thus, make Indonesia have no natural or by agreement Ally.
ekhemmm..... excuse me sir, madam, have you see 9 dashed line problem in this entire year, Chino has grab island/reef from Pinoy, Vietnam, Malaysia, and steal the water sovereignty from Brunei.
today, Indonesian drilling in its EEZ got harrashment everyday from China, and weridly they send a protest letter to Indonesia because Indonesia Drill an oil rig on its own EEZ, , ,
we have only guts, and god, yeah its an irony to say all of our military gear rendered useless againts China southern fleet.
then, here we come the use of the Self Propelled gun, to shell the landing enemy infantry forces such happened in Ukraine right now.
thats why the theme of TNI excercise is always "RECAPTURE TERITORY CLAIMED BY ADVERSARY" since we haven't any super duper weapon to defend it.
western rusky fanboyI'm a little bit suspicious about this Jagd guy
As i stated earlier on: it is Indonesia's decision if they want to stay neutral or join an allianceWell, we call it Free-Active Policy which Indonesia didn't take account in such military alliance (read Neutral), but as you can see today Indonesian Weapons and arms mostly made by western standard since the war of independence.
thus, make Indonesia have no natural or by agreement Ally.
Firstly it was not the PRC that determined or drew up the nine dash line/but the KMT in the 1920's with it's 11 dash line (internationally never being objected)ekhemmm..... excuse me sir, madam, have you see 9 dashed line problem in this entire year, Chino has grab island/reef from Pinoy, Vietnam, Malaysia, and steal the water sovereignty from Brunei.
today, Indonesian drilling in its EEZ got harrashment everyday from China, and weridly they send a protest letter to Indonesia because Indonesia Drill an oil rig on its own EEZ, , ,
That is why I brought up the White Book issue - since this would be a basic tool in order to design an effective Indonesian Armed Forces.we have only guts, and god, yeah its an irony to say all of our military gear rendered useless againts China southern fleet.
then, here we come the use of the Self Propelled gun, to shell the landing enemy infantry forces such happened in Ukraine right now.
thats why the theme of TNI excercise is always "RECAPTURE TERITORY CLAIMED BY ADVERSARY" since we haven't any super duper weapon to defend it.
I heard they are interst to get another batch of caesar with more bigger / longer / advandce platform...who know's 5 oktober 2024 maybeI kinda wonder about the relevancy of tracked SPH for our "future" heavy brigade. Does it really need to be tracked or a wheeled one like Caesar is enough to support Leo??? I think they don't really need to have the same offroad capabilities as MBT because they don't need to maneuver closely with them...
Of course for IFV/APC that accompany MBT its better to be tracked because they need to maneuver alongside them. But for SPH who only need to shoot and scoot???
I guess both KMT and PRC historians have conveniently forgotten that the Majapahit empire also existed and flourished during the Ming dynasty's reign. In fact, it can be argued that both empires were at their peak around the same time, i.e. mid-14 to the mid-15th century. Also, when the famed Ming dynasty's expedition - or show of force - led by Zheng He arrived in Java at a time when Majapahit's influence started to decline, it was still in control of the sea around Riau and Natuna islands.The PRC's main argument is that "historically" large parts of the South China Sea were discovered and claimed latest during the Ming Dynasty - at a time were only Japan, the Sultanate of Brunei and partially Vietnam existed as united independent states
It's probably interesting to note that the official explanation regarding Indonesia's "free and active" foreign policy is not of "neutrality". As such, while it may sound ambiguous, confusing, or even contradictory for some, for Indonesia to form or join a military alliance is not impossible either.As i stated earlier on: it is Indonesia's decision if they want to stay neutral or join an alliance
With magic, of course. We have plenty of "experts" who can teleport stones, nails, and even daggers right inside someone's stomach... Should be easy for them to teleport an armored division from Java to anywhere in Indonesia in a flash.the question still remains as to how the Indonesian Armed Forces intend to transport heavy stuff to a respective hot/war zone. (especially in a scenario which beholds a capable adversary).
If the same configuration that common in Russia, a disgrace and laughing stock. The publicity is bad recent time, known to turned its crews to accidental cosmonauts.
What is your opinion regarding potential enemy will be faced with Leopard RI?Type 15 tank?Are we in a dire need of MBT? Are we facing a serious threats against MBT?
I think that any potential enemy armored vehicles mostly will be consisted of lighter armored one, and MBT will be in a small number.