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Gimme more some of these...
 

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More MBT then?
Gimme more some of these...
More like, Harimau tanks I'd say.

While there was either news or a rumor a couple months ago about additional Leopard, as well as recent one from Turkey which mentioned something about Altay, but I don't think we can afford another batch of, say, 100 MBTs for now or at least for the next couple of years.

I'd be glad to be proven wrong, though.
 

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  • Increases attack damage by an average of 18%.
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  • Critical Strike uses pseudo-random distribution.
  • Does not work against wards, buildings, and allied units.
Don't Christians do this? Is it a ritual from your pre-Islamic religion? I know that there is a Christian population in Indonesia, but I did not think that in a country where 85% of them wear headscarves, Christians would impose such a ritual in the army.
 

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Don't Christians do this? Is it a ritual from your pre-Islamic religion? I know that there is a Christian population in Indonesia, but I did not think that in a country where 85% of them wear headscarves, Christians would impose such a ritual in the army.

That's happened in Aceh though, and this one being done by an Ulama
 

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But it is (only) consists of two existing Cav Batt, so I don't see how it will 'menambah kekuatan' (at least for now) :unsure:

A brigade HQ at least had their own forces beside desk clerk trooper , the most minimum is recce company
 

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A brigade HQ at least had their own forces beside desk clerk trooper , the most minimum is recce company
We'll see

Maybe the new brig also represent a new mindset/doctrine that cavalry element is not limited to 'banpur' anymore (since previously they are under the command of brigif)
 

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More like, Harimau tanks I'd say.

While there was either news or a rumor a couple months ago about additional Leopard, as well as recent one from Turkey which mentioned something about Altay, but I don't think we can afford another batch of, say, 100 MBTs for now or at least for the next couple of years.

I'd be glad to be proven wrong, though.
Altay should be a big no. They are in prototype stage, and it is the most expensive MBT so far (CMIIW).
Even when they have started producing the first batch, I'd reccomend to wait until the second, because God knows what problems that might be found in the first batch and improved in the second batch. At this stage, their price should have been lowered due to mass production. And we haven't even talking about logistics, cost of training, maintenance, manpower for operating and maintaining them, etc.
Leopard 2 with Altay turret should be no too. Same reason as above.
If anything, if we want to add more MBT, look for secondhand Leopard 2's and upgrade it to 2RI standard. Or buy enough Harimau MT so their price would lower quickly, allowing for more acquirement.
 

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If anything, if we want to add more MBT, look for secondhand Leopard 2's and upgrade it to 2RI standard. Or buy enough Harimau MT so their price would lower quickly, allowing for more acquirement.
Agreed, prefer more leo 2RI, rather than altay, they still have to finished their mbt engine . But dunno if we might become to be their 1st export consumer. And based on rumours, we did plan to purchased 106 medium divided into several batch right?
 

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We'll see

Maybe the new brig also represent a new mindset/doctrine that cavalry element is not limited to 'banpur' anymore (since previously they are under the command of brigif)
If this is true, it will be interesting to see how we're going to adapt armored warfare in various Indonesian terrains.
Altay should be a big no. They are in prototype stage, and it is the most expensive MBT so far (CMIIW).
Even when they have started producing the first batch, I'd reccomend to wait until the second, because God knows what problems that might be found in the first batch and improved in the second batch. At this stage, their price should have been lowered due to mass production. And we haven't even talking about logistics, cost of training, maintenance, manpower for operating and maintaining them, etc.
Leopard 2 with Altay turret should be no too. Same reason as above.
If anything, if we want to add more MBT, look for secondhand Leopard 2's and upgrade it to 2RI standard. Or buy enough Harimau MT so their price would lower quickly, allowing for more acquirement.
Agreed, prefer more leo 2RI, rather than altay, they still have to finished their mbt engine . But dunno if we might become to be their 1st export consumer. And based on rumours, we did plan to purchased 106 medium divided into several batch right?
Well, my earlier post wasn't meant to propose Altay for our next MBT. That was something mentioned in a recent article about our 2 billion usd deal with Turkey.

All things considered, if I'm the one put in charge for the next MBT procurement program for TNI-AD, I'll choose Leopard 2, either modified and upgraded to 2RI + APS standard for both the new batch and for the ones we have now, or the new A7V with L55 gun.
 

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  • Increases attack damage by an average of 18%.
  • +32 Attack damage
  • The proc chances of multiple critsources stack.
    • If two sources of critical strike proc at the same time, the higher multiplier has priority.
  • Critical Strike uses pseudo-random distribution.
  • Does not work against wards, buildings, and allied units.
Situ mainan DotA?

Additional Leopard MBT? How about upgrading the rest of the 2A4 first?

What is the usual structure of our cavalry unit? (Company/battalion/div). Do we really need to buy new MBT? There is hundreds of AMX & scorpion that need to be replaced soon, MBT or Medium Tank that will be good to replace those?

Kemaren ada yang kavaleri tapi diisinya anoa.
 

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