Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[chiphocks]

if it actually had to be a new type of tank, i just hope that they'll buy the most recent one
code for KF51

 

[Jagdflieger]

the same price for leopard 2A7 & 7 Bayraktar TB2, is that the price for independence or is there a kickback?

the same price for leopard 2A7 & 7 Bayraktar TB 2, is that the price for independence or is there a kickback?

IMO - definitely, certainly, undeniably there is a kickback involved. same goes for Indonesia's Leo's.
E.g. Singapore's Leo's (highly upgraded and enhanced former BW models) cost less then $6 million a piece. (estimates for Singapore's own enhancement efforts account to around 0.5 -1,5 million a piece, the Leo 2SG). And they are going to or already acquired some Leo 2A7's.

BTW a Leo2A7 cost's around $20-22 million.

As for a Bayraktar TB2 I am not sure, but it is around $5 million - excluding weapons and guidance control units.

 

[Umigami]

same goes for Indonesia's Leo's.
E.g. Singapore's Leo's (highly upgraded and enhanced former BW models) cost less then $6 million a piece.

What are you talking about?
We just pay US$ 280 million for those 103 leopards (2RI and A4+ configuration) and 50 marder !!!

 

[Jagdflieger]

What are you talking about?
We just pay US$ 280 million for those 103 leopards (2RI and A4+ configuration) and 50 marder !!!

AFAIK Indonesia did not. - you are citing figures of an initial deal to purchase 2nd hand Leo2A4's and Marder 1A3's in 2012 after abandoning the Netherlands deal.
Another figure in that deal was (Budget 2) US$ 280 million and later revised to US$ 320 million for the MBT Revolution - Rheinmetall Defence’s modular upgrade package for urban warfare. Not including upgrade packages for the Marder and opts-electronics, coms, etc. for the Leo.

The actual price for the 2nd hand Leo 2A4's and Marder's is not publicly available. However the (budget 1) of the initially indented purchase of Leo2A6 would have only allowed for 44 units. Take that volume 44 x $6+ million a piece and you will sum up around a $280 million budget for the purchase costs of those 2nd hand non-upgraded Leo 2A4 tanks and Marder's. How much of these (Budget 1) $280 million were actually spend, only the Indonesian government and Rheinmetall would know.

But I do know them personally and the names of the 4 main people from Rheinmetall/KMW involved in these negotiations.

 

[schuimpjes]

code for KF51

 

[wahyu845]

IMO - definitely, certainly, undeniably there is a kickback involved. same goes for Indonesia's Leo's.
E.g. Singapore's Leo's (highly upgraded and enhanced former BW models) cost less then $6 million a piece. (estimates for Singapore's own enhancement efforts account to around 0.5 -1,5 million a piece, the Leo 2SG). And they are going to or already acquired some Leo 2A7's.

BTW a Leo2A7 cost's around $20-22 million.

As for a Bayraktar TB2 I am not sure, but it is around $5 million - excluding weapons and guidance control units.

thanks 4 your information sir

 

[Jagdflieger]

thanks 4 your information sir

As long as it's useful information

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1538342621462282240

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1538814986603986945

 

[FPXAllen]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1538814986603986945

With this level of attention and maintenance efforts, we shouldn't expect less when the Army start receiving Harimau tanks.

...If they'll be actually acquired in hundreds instead of just 18, that is...

 

[Umigami]

With this level of attention and maintenance efforts, we shouldn't expect less when the Army start receiving Harimau tanks.

...If they'll be actually acquired in hundreds instead of just 18, that is...

Looking at presentation slide, 8th cavalry is far below though .

 

[Gundala]

...If they'll be actually acquired in hundreds instead of just 18, that is...

Sometimes even if govt order more of it there are some limitations on the capacity & technological capability from the BUMN it self. Take a look at the small callibre munition, even with large order the company hasnt been able to finance the project internally or raising the fund from third party. Its a complicated matters as you might already know, ranging from the contract, production capacity, financial state of the company and the list continue. There are things that put a smile on my self, seeing how the govt raise the quantity ordered, the plan to inject penyertaan modal negara to increase productivity and modernize the machinery and some other small matters. At the very least we already seen an effort to fix the benang kusut.

 

[R4duga]

someone's need to make a compilation where foreign armed forces camo/uniform blends better with our surrounding vegetation during their visit.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537635014682476544

 

[FPXAllen]

Sometimes even if govt order more of it there are some limitations on the capacity & technological capability from the BUMN it self. Take a look at the small callibre munition, even with large order the company hasnt been able to finance the project internally or raising the fund from third party. Its a complicated matters as you might already know, ranging from the contract, production capacity, financial state of the company and the list continue. There are things that put a smile on my self, seeing how the govt raise the quantity ordered, the plan to inject penyertaan modal negara to increase productivity and modernize the machinery and some other small matters. At the very least we already seen an effort to fix the benang kusut.

True that. But still, it's better to keep our expectations grounded since we all know too well how it's often turned out in the end. Well, at least that's how it is for me.

 

[Jagdflieger]

someone's need to make a compilation where foreign armed forces camo/uniform blends better with our surrounding vegetation during their visit.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537635014682476544

How about my all-time favorite? Rhodesian Camouflage (1970 – 1980) Promise you couldn't detect those fellows in jungle, grassland or mountainous, terrain.

Especially the SAS and Selous Scouts versions。Check out the guys on the left - how the cammo blends into the background.

 

[satria]

How about my all-time favorite? Rhodesian Camouflage (1970 – 1980) Promise you couldn't detect those fellows in jungle, grassland or mountainous, terrain.

Especially the SAS and Selous Scouts versions。Check out the guys on the left - how the cammo blends into the background.

Kodam XII Tanjung Pura on 80's use the same camou ... before that Kodam V Jaya use almost the same pattern ...

 

[Jagdflieger]

Kodam XII Tanjung Pura on 80's use the same camou ... before that Kodam V Jaya use almost the same pattern ...
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Yes - a bit similar, but the Rhodesian forces use a lighter brown, no sand brown and especially the brush strokes are in green. Too much brown gives you away in the jungle and bush/grassland.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1539417531512786945

 

[Van Kravchenko]

True that. But still, it's better to keep our expectations grounded since we all know too well how it's often turned out in the end. Well, at least that's how it is for me.

if I may ask, do you remember where's the ex Dutch M4A3 HVSS Sherman tanks nowadays. I'm still wonder why such iconic tank disappeared, but the more rare Japanese tank still exist.

 

[chibiyabi]

if I may ask, do you remember where's the ex Dutch M4A3 HVSS Sherman tanks nowadays. I'm still wonder why such iconic tank disappeared, but the more rare Japanese tank still exist.

in pusdikav padalarang we have stuart, and still can run!!!! back than in formil kaskus some one bukan kaleng kaleng invited us to involve in "ritual jamasan si stuart" at pusdikav