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it’s that you’re opening a great big hole in the people tank.
At first, I wanted to counter this by stating that there are steps to be taken before opening the torpedo tube's door, one of which is that it must be flooded first.

But then I realized that it is what it is. Flooding the tube itself is a risky affair since - rather than the torpedo tubes' doors - the tubes' ends in the torpedo room itself have to withstand the water pressure now.
 

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At first, I wanted to counter this by stating that there are steps to be taken before opening the torpedo tube's door, one of which is that it must be flooded first.

But then I realized that it is what it is. Flooding the tube itself is a risky affair since - rather than the torpedo tubes' doors - the tubes' ends in the torpedo room itself have to withstand the water pressure now.

I lifted that particular line verbatim from retired submariner (my buddy who served in RCN).

They are aware of what can go wrong in something most ppl above surface think is routine/mundane.

Everything is designed as best as possible to stop a catastrophe cascade from happening (if a failure of some kind happens in that area).....but the whole concept is extremely non-ideal to begin with.
 

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I lifted that particular line verbatim from retired submariner (my buddy who served in RCN).

They are aware of what can go wrong in something most ppl above surface think is routine/mundane.

Everything is designed as best as possible to stop a catastrophe cascade from happening (if a failure of some kind happens in that area).....but the whole concept is extremely non-ideal to begin with.
For me, this just further illustrates that even after a couple of centuries since mankind decided to build the first submarine, no matter how advanced the materials used and designs + propulsion systems improved, the chance of survival for submariners when something goes really wrong is, pardon the pun, still abysmal.
 

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For me, this just further illustrates that even after a couple of centuries since mankind decided to build the first submarine, no matter how advanced the materials used and designs + propulsion systems improved, the chance of survival for submariners when something goes really wrong is, pardon the pun, still abysmal.

Well you wouldn't catch me (or I suspect most people) training+volunteering to go high-pressure underwater in a tin can on regular basis to begin with....let me put it that way.

I'm a landlubber (though with a taste for reading about Capt Nemo from young age) that likes a swim now and then, maybe a shallow dive (under my full controlled auspices thank you very much) at most.

The further and further humans are taken from the realm of usual-habitat....the more and more permanent "system" risks there always will be in any system we design and improve with time. Its that simple.

The Ocean (esp underneath surface) is just the first one of these (extreme habitats) we necessarily needed to "master" to some degree....70% surface of earth and all that. The "naut" in astronaut is a sea term for reason.

So yes that is all "baked in" as long as the environment is so drastically different to what we need to live in....and the only thing separating us from it is the "system" we design for it.

That's why I greatly respect submariners....they have been at this a long time.
 

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At first, I wanted to counter this by stating that there are steps to be taken before opening the torpedo tube's door, one of which is that it must be flooded first.

But then I realized that it is what it is. Flooding the tube itself is a risky affair since - rather than the torpedo tubes' doors - the tubes' ends in the torpedo room itself have to withstand the water pressure now.
Nga juga kalau pakai sistem piston atau tekanan

Not really depends on, it may use piston pressure
 

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here a good video explaining about how generally torpedo tube works (on US sub)

*what they had probably differs from what we had but still a good video.
 

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based on his last post , looks like this guy already got "sentilan" .
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-Ships and planes took years to build and delivered (not counting combat readiness like IOC,FOC yet)
-officers took years to be trained
-pilots took years to be proficient

Combine that with our geopolitical reality of living in a contested and increasingly violatile Indo-Pacific, there's no reason not to exponentially increase our defense spending, especially in the air and naval domains.

Somehow someone suggested that we need to back down commitments in defence.
 

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Even if the writer is right that there will be no war, decreasing budget or commitment to modernize the military is not a good idea. We are not even can be considered expanding our military yet, we are still struggling to modernize our alutsista replacing those old stuff with more modern, capable, safer to operates and have more deterrent effect, our condition right now be it quality or quantity is still very lacking. If lets say we are at the level of JP then we can buy new alutsista and replace the old one on unit per unit basis without even expanding our power and that is still okay.

We already lost Nanggala, 1 parchim sunk, kri teluk jakarta sunk, kri pulau rencong caught fire. For the air force we already lost 2 hercules, T50i, 2 f16 got into accident, 1 hawk. The army lost 1 helicopter, 1 KMC sunk. Maybe there is some that i am missing.

Just like Indonesian saying 'berakit-rakit ke hulu, berenang-renang ketepian', we need to spent a lots of money to buy alutsista for now, we should try to get ToT as much as possible so in a few decades ahead we can be independent and produce our own alutsista and keep the money in Indonesia, if we can't be independent we will keep spending lots of money to buy alutsista from overseas and also risk of embargo and sanction. Because we are buying foreign products there is some people that against it, but we still can't make our own! I only concerned that large alutsista purchase by Prabowo there will be 'oknum' that try to get some slices of the pies and little ToT that we get. Prabowo intention to buy many kind of alutsista thats been making headlines recently definitely sound super duper and over kill, but sir F5 already grounded long time ago and there is still no replacement, hawk + some F16 also getting old, van speijk replacement still unclear.

Our industry and indhan still not that advanced, RnD and PTN is not that outstanding, limited budget, plus those salesman, politics, kickback seeker, corruptor as extra hurdles for TNI modernization.

And what about their opinion about the salami tactic that we already felt? First is just a claim, then there is this fishing boat squadron, then there is this Coast Guard ship patroling in our water as if its theirs, even there is UUV that's is gathering information illegally in our water.

TLDR so much hurdles for modernization dessuuu~~
 
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Pen is a weapon for them, dont fight them in their ground
Actually, it is the most effective way to fight them.

You see, eventhough Tempo has its own tendencies and motives (as well as practically all other medias), they still bound to the journalistic obligation to publish counter arguments which, should they refuse to do so, can be used to discredit them further in other media.
 

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I know an expert that can deal with their weapon easily.
#kita tampilkan bang... Tiiiiit.. Ke kantor 😂 LOL

In the past we have plenty media backup or own by military or by "yayasan" or media that focusing on all military interest. And now plenty web or blogs base on military news far more "downgranded" than the one on the past, much of them only copas news from another web sourch and only talking about procurement. If i looked in the past reading before angkasa era there was TSM magz, commando, etc that explaint many views on military not only news about procurement, but opinion, deep interview, history and many good read educated us all, there were time a good journalism and journalist. But now media (in this free speak and era) is a different term of world and bussines btw.... That explain how journalis now cant differ a sub, torpedo, or missile duh
 

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