Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[R4duga]

hope the construction will commence "soon" enough .
source :

https://www.facebook.com/HumasPTPAL/posts/1537203549783459

 

[Madokafc]

hope the construction will commence "soon" enough .
source :

https://www.facebook.com/HumasPTPAL/posts/1537203549783459

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It's done deal lah, right now we are intensively talking with Japan over FFM 30 and some of JAV idol.....

 

[Parry Brima]

Indonesia in talks with Naval Group for variant of Riachuelo-class submarine​

Officials from Indonesia’s defence ministry are in discussions with a consortium led by French shipbuilder Naval Group for a possible order of the Riachuelo (Modified Scorpene)-class submarine, separate industry sources close to the talks have confirmed with Janes .

Brazil’s first Riachuelo-class submarine, seen here prior to its launch in 2018. Indonesia is studying a variant of the class for its naval requirements. (Naval Group)

The discussion is the latest development in what has been a series of sporadic talks between Indonesian defence planners and Naval Group since 2016, when Jakarta first indicated its interest in the Scorpene 1000 vessel type for its naval requirements.

Due diligence specifically for the Riachuelo class began after a variant of the submarine type was suggested by Naval Group as being suitable for Indonesia’s requirements, said one of the industry sources.

Besides technical discussions, the talks with Naval Group and its consortium also touched upon financing options and opportunities for technology transfer agreements between French and Indonesian defence companies, the source added.

The Riachuelo class is a 1,800-tonne submarine type, four of which were ordered for the Brazilian Navy in 2009. The first-of-class was launched by Naval Group in December 2018, while the final boat is scheduled to enter the water in 2022.

The submarine has an overall length of 75 m, an overall beam of 6.2 m, and can accommodate a crew of 31, including six officers. It is capable of deploying F21 heavyweight torpedoes and MBDA Exocet SM39 Block 2 Mod 2 missiles via 533 mm tubes, and is capable of diving up to 350 m.



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Indonesia in talks with Naval Group for variant of Riachuelo-class submarine (janes.com)

 

[R4duga]

huh ? so they now seek riachuelo instead of am-2000 ?

 

[Umigami]

Indonesia in talks with Naval Group for variant of Riachuelo-class submarine​

Officials from Indonesia’s defence ministry are in discussions with a consortium led by French shipbuilder Naval Group for a possible order of the Riachuelo (Modified Scorpene)-class submarine, separate industry sources close to the talks have confirmed with Janes .

Brazil’s first Riachuelo-class submarine, seen here prior to its launch in 2018. Indonesia is studying a variant of the class for its naval requirements. (Naval Group)

The discussion is the latest development in what has been a series of sporadic talks between Indonesian defence planners and Naval Group since 2016, when Jakarta first indicated its interest in the Scorpene 1000 vessel type for its naval requirements.

Due diligence specifically for the Riachuelo class began after a variant of the submarine type was suggested by Naval Group as being suitable for Indonesia’s requirements, said one of the industry sources.

Besides technical discussions, the talks with Naval Group and its consortium also touched upon financing options and opportunities for technology transfer agreements between French and Indonesian defence companies, the source added.

The Riachuelo class is a 1,800-tonne submarine type, four of which were ordered for the Brazilian Navy in 2009. The first-of-class was launched by Naval Group in December 2018, while the final boat is scheduled to enter the water in 2022.

The submarine has an overall length of 75 m, an overall beam of 6.2 m, and can accommodate a crew of 31, including six officers. It is capable of deploying F21 heavyweight torpedoes and MBDA Exocet SM39 Block 2 Mod 2 missiles via 533 mm tubes, and is capable of diving up to 350 m.



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Indonesia in talks with Naval Group for variant of Riachuelo-class submarine (janes.com)

Oe oe, what's this ?
What kind of fighter that would be in our infentory ?

Is it just a bunch load of lobbying at anywhere ?

I mean, doest it fit with Airforce fighter posture ?

https://www.facebook.com/181276675314017/posts/3211807455594242

Oh, if its wrong place, i'd love to some one to tell me the ID Air Force thread.

This is a little less the case for the naval file (Scorpene submarines and Gowind corvettes) where the Indonesians are considering different options.

WTF... contradicting surprise News at the same time?!
So the battle now is between Deutschland vs Fraco huh??
U214 vs Scorpene
Typhoon vs Rafale

With "semua dapat semua senang motto", I think it'll be Typhoon and Scorpene.

 

[Umigami]

Can someone explain to me what's the difference between S-br and regular Scorpene?

It bigger but doesn't seems to has AIP.

 

[Madokafc]

Found on FB credit to original owner

 

[kooppyyy]

Can someone explain to me what's the difference between S-br and regular Scorpene?

It bigger but doesn't seems to has AIP.

From what I gather, the option for AIP is available, it just that Brazil choose not to equip their boats with it. Perhaps Naval Group put forward the Riachuelo due to similarity in climates between us and Brazil? Hopefully, they already address whatever it was that plaguing the RMN boats.

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[Umigami]

My conclusion is S-br can perform longer patrol. But without AIP its underwater endurance is pretty much the same as standard scorpene.

 

[Madokafc]

Well what you can expect when all of the big shot in MoD attended meeting with Japanese ambassador, surely they are not only talking about ramah tamah thingy

Menhan RI dan Dubes Jepang Bahas Upaya Peningkatan Kerjasama Pertahanan​

Kamis, 3 Desember 2020

Jakarta

– Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Prabowo Subianto, Kamis (3/12) menerima kunjungan kehormatan Duta Besar Jepang untuk Indonesia H.E. Masafumi Ishii di Kantor Kemhan, Jakarta.

Kedatangan Duta Besar Jepang untuk Indonesia yang kali ini didampingi oleh delegasi Industri Pertahanan Jepang menemui Menhan RI untuk membicarakan peningkatan kerjasama pertahanan terutama di bidang industri pertahanan. Menhan Prabowo Subianto menyambut baik upaya peningkatan kerjasama kedua negara terutama dalam bidang industri dan teknologi pertahanan.

Sebelumnya dalam teleconference antara Menhan RI Prabowo Subianto dengan Menteri Pertahanan Jepang Nobuo Kish pada 2 November lalu, kedua menteri pertahanan diantaranya juga membicarakan mengenai upaya peningkatan kerjasama Alutsista dan teknologi pertahanan.

Saat menerima kunjungan Duta Besar Jepang untuk Indonesia, Menhan RI didampingi Wakil Menhan RI Sakti Wahyu Trenggono, Sekjen Kemhan RI Marsdya TNI Donny Ermawan Taufanto, M.D.S., Kabaranahan Kemhan Marsda TNI Yusuf Jauhari, M.Eng., serta Dirjen Strahan Kemhan Mayjen TNI Dr. rer. pol. Rodon Pedrason, M.A.

Kementerian Pertahanan Republik Indonesia

www.kemhan.go.id

 

[Umigami]

Well what you can expect when all of the big shot in MoD attended meeting with Japanese ambassador, surely they are not only talking about ramah tamah thingy

Menhan RI dan Dubes Jepang Bahas Upaya Peningkatan Kerjasama Pertahanan​

Kamis, 3 Desember 2020

Jakarta

– Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Prabowo Subianto, Kamis (3/12) menerima kunjungan kehormatan Duta Besar Jepang untuk Indonesia H.E. Masafumi Ishii di Kantor Kemhan, Jakarta.

Kedatangan Duta Besar Jepang untuk Indonesia yang kali ini didampingi oleh delegasi Industri Pertahanan Jepang menemui Menhan RI untuk membicarakan peningkatan kerjasama pertahanan terutama di bidang industri pertahanan. Menhan Prabowo Subianto menyambut baik upaya peningkatan kerjasama kedua negara terutama dalam bidang industri dan teknologi pertahanan.

Sebelumnya dalam teleconference antara Menhan RI Prabowo Subianto dengan Menteri Pertahanan Jepang Nobuo Kish pada 2 November lalu, kedua menteri pertahanan diantaranya juga membicarakan mengenai upaya peningkatan kerjasama Alutsista dan teknologi pertahanan.

Saat menerima kunjungan Duta Besar Jepang untuk Indonesia, Menhan RI didampingi Wakil Menhan RI Sakti Wahyu Trenggono, Sekjen Kemhan RI Marsdya TNI Donny Ermawan Taufanto, M.D.S., Kabaranahan Kemhan Marsda TNI Yusuf Jauhari, M.Eng., serta Dirjen Strahan Kemhan Mayjen TNI Dr. rer. pol. Rodon Pedrason, M.A.

Kementerian Pertahanan Republik Indonesia

www.kemhan.go.id

So it fix already, Japan got the frigates and Franco got subs ?
Or soryu still lurking beneath the "ocean"?

 

[Parry Brima]

So it fix already, Japan got the frigates and Franco got subs ?
Or soryu still lurking beneath the "ocean"?

Florence Parly only mentioned Indonesia in terms of Rafale in the interview. If we're indeed very close in submarine deal then she'd have probably mentioned it as well.

I think it's still an open game in the submarine front until now.

 

[R4duga]

it is indeed ramah tamah thingy , nice brochure there .

 

[Anmdt]

nice brochure there .
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30FFM with different configurations.

 

[Ravager]

After what is happened to our latest " lontong " hopely the next one get picked could also contributes to the advancement of our submarine building capability . I had enough with us get toyed around by foreigner for all this year.
Make no mistakes ... While in the latest incident most of the blames were fall solely from our side . I still get the vibe that we haven't received fully what we should have been .

 

[frashis79]

Florence Parly only mentioned Indonesia in terms of Rafale in the interview. If we're indeed very close in submarine deal then she'd have probably mentioned it as well.

I think it's still an open game in the submarine front until now.

like the news before, france need more time to discuss and arrange the agreement regarding the deal, but since Indonesia need to push the deal for rafale by the end of this year, so she only talk about rafale.

Regarding the sub. i am prety sure there will be announcement latter...first thing first lah

 

[Madokafc]

it is indeed ramah tamah thingy , nice brochure there .
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Meanwhile at the same time Luhut and Erik Tahir met with Mitsubishi corps Chairman in Japan directly after getting nod from various financial Giant in Japan this deal closely Linked with Japan commitment toward Indonesia Sovereign wealth fund

 

[Madokafc]

Marines unit

Credit to original owner

 

[Parry Brima]

Meanwhile at the same time Luhut and Erik Tahir met with Mitsubishi corps Chairman in Japan directly after getting nod from various financial Giant in Japan this deal closely Linked with Japan commitment toward Indonesia Sovereign wealth fund

Sounds like they want to fight on all fronts, not just the frigates.

 

[Madokafc]

Marine third infantry