Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Lordimperator]

the discussion is actually based on the comment of some well known canteen guard

Did u know that right after the canteen guard youtube dismiss the Scorpene, the student make an update hoping for the Scorpene .

 

[this is crunch]

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TNI should really have a professional poster designer, why using Anzac and De Zeven Provincien in that poster

Kesannya maksa amat, kaya bikinnnya kepepet waktu, edit mast anzacnya parah

 

[Anmdt]

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The ships on behind-right looks like anzac class.
Especially the one on behind-left, it is definitely not IH or De zeven, a new ship on line?

 

[Madokafc]

The ships on behind-right looks like anzac class.
Especially the one on behind-left, it is definitely not IH or De zeven, a new ship on line?

Well it is just for jokes

 

[NEKO]

a new ship on line?

Don't take our baliho and the likes seriously, There is still a possibility during keel laying / steel cutting ceremony etc of the future frigate they will use aegis destroyer pic in the baliho, and ford class carrier for any flat top, the possibility are low but not zero.

Well it is just for jokes

*Dissapointed wkwk.
They should use Arleigh Burke destroyer instead, it will give more ketar-ketir effect.

Its coming from the Air force wkwk. Maybe the navy can reply in the future with using F22 or F35.

 

[Barjo_2]

Well it is just for jokes

I believe that is our ghost armada, only good people can see it...

Sir @Anmdt look like turkey have had implemented some of ukraine and russia tech, do Turkey have the solution for data link betwen the two system? Westren (NATO) and eastern (ukraine and russia)

 

[Gary]

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Nothing screams Indonesian Navy such as an ANZAC class

 

[Madokafc]

Nothing screams Indonesian Navy such as an ANZAC class

With current planning and acquisition rates hope TNI AL can outgunned them in the next decade and the problem next would be to out smart them in C4ISR field in which need more effort and patience including diplomatic cards.

 

[Lordimperator]

acquisition rates hope TNI AL can outgunned them

How could we outgunned their type 26 and hobart

 

[Madokafc]

How could we outgunned their type 26 and hobart

With number, and the thing we bought is not that much worse compared to their, six FREMM, two Maestrale, two AH140 AAW purpose Frigates, two Martadinata class, three Bung Tomo class, four Diponegoro class Corvettes. Not to mention our OPV 90 class which hold Corvettes capability and there is KCR 60 and other stuff in the planning like Mogami class

 

[Chestnut]

With current planning and acquisition rates hope TNI AL can outgunned them in the next decade and the problem next would be to out smart them in C4ISR field in which need more effort and patience including diplomatic cards.

Why outgun them? Honestly it's better if the Indonesian Navy has more bilateral/multi-lateral partnerships with Australia and her allies. The Chinese has shown that even countries that try to befriend them (Philippines) still get the short of of geopolitical diplomacy. And the Russian pacific fleet is pretty much next to useless in the current Indo-pacific climate. Australia is pretty much the perfect candidate currently.

 

[Madokafc]

Why outgun them? Honestly it's better if the Indonesian Navy has more bilateral/multi-lateral partnerships with Australia and her allies. The Chinese has shown that even countries that try to befriend them (Philippines) still get the short of of geopolitical diplomacy. And the Russian pacific fleet is pretty much next to useless in the current Indo-pacific climate. Australia is pretty much the perfect candidate currently.

As i said before, in real politics which dominated international relationship between countries, hard power is matter. No matter how much you had good relationship with your partner or being aligned in alliances, the thing is National interest always being pursued by Countries as their goals and when the National interest being clashed the way we are talking to them is which one who had bigger fist or which wallet more deeper.

And to have allies in equal term, to have more firepower is advisable and justified.

 

[Anmdt]

I believe that is our ghost armada, only good people can see it...

Sir @Anmdt look like turkey have had implemented some of ukraine and russia tech, do Turkey have the solution for data link betwen the two system? Westren (NATO) and eastern (ukraine and russia)

Yes there is a possibility to combine separate systems (radars) Aselsan has already made it for Azerbaijan, but i doubt combining the data links.

 

[NEKO]

I believe that is our ghost armada, only good people can see it...

Is it our ghost armada that is hidden in Brunei?

As i said before, in real politics which dominated international relationship between countries, hard power is matter. No matter how much you had good relationship with your partner or being aligned in alliances, the thing is National interest always being pursued by Countries as their goals and when the National interest being clashed the way we are talking to them is which one who had bigger fist or which wallet more deeper.

And to have allies in equal term, to have more firepower is advisable and justified.

I agree.
I would love to become closer with AU and having more cooperation with them but I prefer to have a stick that is ready to hit them if they dare to mess with us.

Australia to pursue nuclear-powered submarines through new trilateral enhanced security partnership | Prime Minister of Australia

www.pm.gov.au

Does MTCR only apply to deals that involves non US country? Well I guess might makes right, superpower can do whatever they want.

After nuclear powered submarine what if US give B21 to AU?

 

[Madokafc]

Is it our ghost armada that is hidden in Brunei?

I agree.
I would love to become closer with AU and having more cooperation with them but I prefer to have a stick that is ready to hit them if they dare to mess with us.

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Australia to pursue nuclear-powered submarines through new trilateral enhanced security partnership | Prime Minister of Australia

www.pm.gov.au

Does MTCR only apply to deals that involves non US country? Well I guess might makes right, superpower can do whatever they want.

After nuclear powered submarine what if US give B21 to AU?

That's fact, might is what Made you right and Made other take your importance and presence.

 

[Barjo_2]

Yes there is a possibility to combine separate systems (radars) Aselsan has already made it for Azerbaijan, but i doubt combining the data links.

Thank you sir.

 

[Barjo_2]

Is it our ghost armada that is hidden in Brunei?

You right but the armada still hunting for kaiju so we can't redeploy them againts other navy

That's fact, might is what Made you right and Made other take your importance and presence.

But they still should fix their behavior toward us, and open their market for our product (free trade and countertrade). Is time to get their cash (and darwin) than it will be okay

Oh yes almost forgot.. Ausie is the biggest uranium producer in the world if I'm not mistaken.. So soon or later the poo will be hapent

 

[Madokafc]

You right but the armada still hunting for kaiju so we can't redeploy them againts other navy

But they still should fix their behavior toward us, and open their market for our product (free trade and countertrade). Is time to get their cash (and darwin) than it will be okay

That's our business lobby and diplomatic Legion jobs

And sometimes that's need a Country Armed Forces to backing it up, well everything depend on occasion

 

[NEKO]

and open their market for our product (free trade and countertrade). Is time to get their cash

Maybe that IA-CEPA will help.

(and darwin) than it will be okay

Big daddy US won't let it happen.

What's with your obsession with Darwin?

 

[Barjo_2]

Maybe that IA-CEPA will help.

Big daddy US won't let it happen.

What's with your obsession with Darwin?

Our traditional fishing ground dude!!!!