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2 I-class frigates for Indonesia?

 

[satria]

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2 I-class frigates for Indonesia?

if you take the one that is being built is okay, to accelerate its presence like PPA but if you build from scratch hopefully change it like Tf2000

 

[Sanchez]

if you take the one that is being built is okay, to accelerate its presence like PPA but if you build from scratch hopefully change it like Tf2000

Turkey is currently building 3 Istif class ships. While it is not impossible for one or two of them to be transferred to Indonesia, I don't see it happening because navy is growing at a nearly exponential rate and they need ships to replace old ones. Maybe transfer one and one new build, could be interesting.

TF-2000 is about to start first production and it is by no means ready for export I think.

 

[satria]

Turkey is currently building 3 Istif class ships. While it is not impossible for one or two of them to be transferred to Indonesia, I don't see it happening because navy is growing at a nearly exponential rate and they need ships to replace old ones. Maybe transfer one and one new build, could be interesting.

TF-2000 is about to start first production and it is by no means ready for export I think.

Do you know how long to buil istif class.? Coz Indonesia looking for new ship fast , coz last MOD fail to build new ship

 

[Sanchez]

Do you know how long to buil istif class.? Coz Indonesia looking for new ship fast , coz last MOD fail to build new ship

First one took ages due to planning and subsystem embargoes that required almost all weapons and radar systems to be changed. Next ones were ordered in 2023 and second ship is expected for 2026 with other 2 to follow very closely.

 

[Lordimperator]

Turkey is currently building 3 Istif class ships. While it is not impossible for one or two of them to be transferred to Indonesia, I don't see it happening because navy is growing at a nearly exponential rate and they need ships to replace old ones. Maybe transfer one and one new build, could be interesting.

TF-2000 is about to start first production and it is by no means ready for export I think.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840675878252290158

May i know how much does its cost? Roughly.

There are rumours around military enthusiats, that TF2000 will be the contender against the type 52D, 2 + 2 for AL Destroyer. 2 luyang, others will be TF2000.

While type 52D is known as cheaper options than the european counterparts, i dont know about the TF2000.

 

[satria]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840675878252290158

May i know how much does its cost? Roughly.

There are rumours around military enthusiats, that TF2000 will be the contender against the type 52D, 2 + 2 for AL Destroyer. 2 luyang, others will be TF2000.

While type 52D is known as cheaper options than the european counterparts, i dont know about the TF2000.

If TF2000 not available, than Louyang will be our destroyer ...
No destroyer no party ...

also If Istif class take more than 4 years to build, maybe our DoD will change the project

 

[Anmdt]

which one ?

seems from China

From China or Iran? The boxes seem like a new varian, and also assuming China suppliers Iran's "domestic" programs, it could be from both.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840675878252290158

May i know how much does its cost? Roughly.

There are rumours around military enthusiats, that TF2000 will be the contender against the type 52D, 2 + 2 for AL Destroyer. 2 luyang, others will be TF2000.

While type 52D is known as cheaper options than the european counterparts, i dont know about the TF2000.

I can only estimate the price for TN, but it also involves negotiations between the procurement office (SSB) and the contractors (Aselsan, Roketsan, etc.) who are also the companies they manage.

So roughly we can say that without weapons it will be $500M+ (FY2024) per ship with the current layout.

If TF2000 not available, than Louyang will be our destroyer ...
No destroyer no party ...

also If Istif class take more than 4 years to build, maybe our DoD will change the project

It won't take more than 4 years, the current pace is closer to 3.5 years, for 2 hulls without local construction in Indonesia.

If there is a requirement for construction in Indonesia and also systems integration to be done locally (or through training of personnel) then it will certainly be 4.5 to 5 years in total.

In any case, it is not feasible or possible to deliver 2 vessels within 1-2 years.

Turkey is currently building 3 Istif class ships. While it is not impossible for one or two of them to be transferred to Indonesia, I don't see it happening because navy is growing at a nearly exponential rate and they need ships to replace old ones. Maybe transfer one and one new build, could be interesting.

TF-2000 is about to start first production and it is by no means ready for export I think.

I think TR now builds 7 I-Class. The shipyards have started steel cutting for some more hulls, and keel-laying may be imminent.

TF-2000 may not be ready for export any time soon, they may join the project; at least indirectly, by providing certain requirements for ease of modification later in the production design stage, but apart from that the chance of "cooperation" or "export" is close to absolute zero until the first hull is launched.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840732119515193693

Istif, FDI, PPA, Mogami
AAW Mogami 140++m.

 

[flogger]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840732119515193693

Istif, FDI, PPA, Mogami

Kan....told you....i even make a list of it at my late post

 

[Lordimperator]

Kan....told you....i even make a list of it at my late post

Well go round about, yet at the end of the day we ll only buy 2 hull

 

[Madokafc]

I can only estimate the price for TN, but it also involves negotiations between the procurement office (SSB) and the contractors (Aselsan, Roketsan, etc.) who are also the companies they manage.

So roughly we can say that without weapons it will be $500M+ (FY2024) per ship with the current layout.


It won't take more than 4 years, the current pace is closer to 3.5 years, for 2 hulls without local construction in Indonesia.

If there is a requirement for construction in Indonesia and also systems integration to be done locally (or through training of personnel) then it will certainly be 4.5 to 5 years in total.

In any case, it is not feasible or possible to deliver 2 vessels within 1-2 years.

I think TR now builds 7 I-Class. The shipyards have started steel cutting for some more hulls, and keel-laying may be imminent.

TF-2000 may not be ready for export any time soon, they may join the project; at least indirectly, by providing certain requirements for ease of modification later in the production design stage, but apart from that the chance of "cooperation" or "export" is close to absolute zero until the first hull is launched.

They want it fast so Indonesia would take Turkish Navy allotment (maybe Izmit and Icel)

Indonesian Second Fleet (our main Armada) is in preparation for transfer of four unit Parchim class to First Fleet, means they are prepared to accept similar number of hulls (most likely PPA and Istif) , meanwhile Indonesia 3rd fleet is in preparation to accept two Opv 90 class and more order would be commenced soon

 

[norman88]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840732119515193693

Istif, FDI, PPA, Mogami
AAW Mogami 140++m.

Don't forget this

 

[Khagan1923]

They want it fast so Indonesia would take Turkish Navy allotment (maybe Izmit and Icel)

Indonesian Second Fleet (our main Armada) is in preparation for transfer of four unit Parchim class to First Fleet, means they are prepared to accept similar number of hulls (most likely PPA and Istif) , meanwhile Indonesia 3rd fleet is in preparation to accept two Opv 90 class and more order would be commenced soon

I honestly don't think the Turkish Navy will be okay with that. They have waited a long time for these ships.
They might might be okay with one but two? Unlikely in my opinion.

 

[Madokafc]

Well, they try to improve but one of the suppliers is.... complicated

Though Indonesia is one of the most active country in asean to rebuild their Naval fleet

In the last 15 years Indonesia is already accepted four Diponegoro class corvette, two Martadinata class frigate, three Bung Tomo class corvette, three Nagapasa class Submarine

And in progress to accept two PPA frigate, two FMP (Iver class derivative) frigate, two OPV 90 , signing contract for two Scorpene class Submarine and also in active effort to build more 60 meter class missile boats, lpd, hospital ships, LST , Hydrooceanograpgy ships, MCV ships, even new training ships

Not only that, Indonesian Navy is also keep procuring patrol aircraft and utility helicopters albeit in small number but consistently to do so

Indonesian Navy also send more sailors abroad for joint exercise and training program, build more naval facilities including new arsenal, naval base and training center for various program

Not even Singapore can't hold the candle to whole Indonesian Navy rebuilding efforts

 

[Madokafc]

I honestly don't think the Turkish Navy will be okay with that. They have waited a long time for these ships.
They might might be okay with one but two? Unlikely in my opinion.

I am heard they are willing to provide three warships actually

 

[Anmdt]

I am heard they are willing to provide three warships actually

I am not saying this is impossible but hard, Turkish Navy is also not in a very good position and needs new, capable platforms as soon as possible. They may agree with sale of hulls from second batch orders but the first batch is expected soon.

SSB could technically convince TN for the sale but so far Turkish Navy has always traded something, for something bigger. I am curious of the outcomes.

 

[Lordimperator]

They want it fast so Indonesia would take Turkish Navy allotment (maybe Izmit and Icel)

Indonesian Second Fleet (our main Armada) is in preparation for transfer of four unit Parchim class to First Fleet, means they are prepared to accept similar number of hulls (most likely PPA and Istif) , meanwhile Indonesia 3rd fleet is in preparation to accept two Opv 90 class and more order would be commenced soon

OPV repeat order, or also PPA batch ii?

Good news for the opv local productions

 

[satria]

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