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[Lordimperator]

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2 I-class frigates for Indonesia?

 

[satria]

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2 I-class frigates for Indonesia?

if you take the one that is being built is okay, to accelerate its presence like PPA but if you build from scratch hopefully change it like Tf2000

 

[Sanchez]

if you take the one that is being built is okay, to accelerate its presence like PPA but if you build from scratch hopefully change it like Tf2000

Turkey is currently building 3 Istif class ships. While it is not impossible for one or two of them to be transferred to Indonesia, I don't see it happening because navy is growing at a nearly exponential rate and they need ships to replace old ones. Maybe transfer one and one new build, could be interesting.

TF-2000 is about to start first production and it is by no means ready for export I think.

 

[satria]

Turkey is currently building 3 Istif class ships. While it is not impossible for one or two of them to be transferred to Indonesia, I don't see it happening because navy is growing at a nearly exponential rate and they need ships to replace old ones. Maybe transfer one and one new build, could be interesting.

TF-2000 is about to start first production and it is by no means ready for export I think.

Do you know how long to buil istif class.? Coz Indonesia looking for new ship fast , coz last MOD fail to build new ship

 

[Sanchez]

Do you know how long to buil istif class.? Coz Indonesia looking for new ship fast , coz last MOD fail to build new ship

First one took ages due to planning and subsystem embargoes that required almost all weapons and radar systems to be changed. Next ones were ordered in 2023 and second ship is expected for 2026 with other 2 to follow very closely.

 

[Lordimperator]

Turkey is currently building 3 Istif class ships. While it is not impossible for one or two of them to be transferred to Indonesia, I don't see it happening because navy is growing at a nearly exponential rate and they need ships to replace old ones. Maybe transfer one and one new build, could be interesting.

TF-2000 is about to start first production and it is by no means ready for export I think.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840675878252290158

May i know how much does its cost? Roughly.

There are rumours around military enthusiats, that TF2000 will be the contender against the type 52D, 2 + 2 for AL Destroyer. 2 luyang, others will be TF2000.

While type 52D is known as cheaper options than the european counterparts, i dont know about the TF2000.

 

[satria]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840675878252290158

May i know how much does its cost? Roughly.

There are rumours around military enthusiats, that TF2000 will be the contender against the type 52D, 2 + 2 for AL Destroyer. 2 luyang, others will be TF2000.

While type 52D is known as cheaper options than the european counterparts, i dont know about the TF2000.

If TF2000 not available, than Louyang will be our destroyer ...
No destroyer no party ...

also If Istif class take more than 4 years to build, maybe our DoD will change the project

 

[Anmdt]

which one ?

seems from China

From China or Iran? The boxes seem like a new varian, and also assuming China suppliers Iran's "domestic" programs, it could be from both.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840675878252290158

May i know how much does its cost? Roughly.

There are rumours around military enthusiats, that TF2000 will be the contender against the type 52D, 2 + 2 for AL Destroyer. 2 luyang, others will be TF2000.

While type 52D is known as cheaper options than the european counterparts, i dont know about the TF2000.

I can only estimate the price for TN, but it also involves negotiations between the procurement office (SSB) and the contractors (Aselsan, Roketsan, etc.) who are also the companies they manage.

So roughly we can say that without weapons it will be $500M+ (FY2024) per ship with the current layout.

If TF2000 not available, than Louyang will be our destroyer ...
No destroyer no party ...

also If Istif class take more than 4 years to build, maybe our DoD will change the project

It won't take more than 4 years, the current pace is closer to 3.5 years, for 2 hulls without local construction in Indonesia.

If there is a requirement for construction in Indonesia and also systems integration to be done locally (or through training of personnel) then it will certainly be 4.5 to 5 years in total.

In any case, it is not feasible or possible to deliver 2 vessels within 1-2 years.

Turkey is currently building 3 Istif class ships. While it is not impossible for one or two of them to be transferred to Indonesia, I don't see it happening because navy is growing at a nearly exponential rate and they need ships to replace old ones. Maybe transfer one and one new build, could be interesting.

TF-2000 is about to start first production and it is by no means ready for export I think.

I think TR now builds 7 I-Class. The shipyards have started steel cutting for some more hulls, and keel-laying may be imminent.

TF-2000 may not be ready for export any time soon, they may join the project; at least indirectly, by providing certain requirements for ease of modification later in the production design stage, but apart from that the chance of "cooperation" or "export" is close to absolute zero until the first hull is launched.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840732119515193693

Istif, FDI, PPA, Mogami
AAW Mogami 140++m.

 

[flogger]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840732119515193693

Istif, FDI, PPA, Mogami

Kan....told you....i even make a list of it at my late post

 

[Lordimperator]

Kan....told you....i even make a list of it at my late post

Well go round about, yet at the end of the day we ll only buy 2 hull

 

[Madokafc]

I can only estimate the price for TN, but it also involves negotiations between the procurement office (SSB) and the contractors (Aselsan, Roketsan, etc.) who are also the companies they manage.

So roughly we can say that without weapons it will be $500M+ (FY2024) per ship with the current layout.


It won't take more than 4 years, the current pace is closer to 3.5 years, for 2 hulls without local construction in Indonesia.

If there is a requirement for construction in Indonesia and also systems integration to be done locally (or through training of personnel) then it will certainly be 4.5 to 5 years in total.

In any case, it is not feasible or possible to deliver 2 vessels within 1-2 years.

I think TR now builds 7 I-Class. The shipyards have started steel cutting for some more hulls, and keel-laying may be imminent.

TF-2000 may not be ready for export any time soon, they may join the project; at least indirectly, by providing certain requirements for ease of modification later in the production design stage, but apart from that the chance of "cooperation" or "export" is close to absolute zero until the first hull is launched.

They want it fast so Indonesia would take Turkish Navy allotment (maybe Izmit and Icel)

Indonesian Second Fleet (our main Armada) is in preparation for transfer of four unit Parchim class to First Fleet, means they are prepared to accept similar number of hulls (most likely PPA and Istif) , meanwhile Indonesia 3rd fleet is in preparation to accept two Opv 90 class and more order would be commenced soon

 

[norman88]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840732119515193693

Istif, FDI, PPA, Mogami
AAW Mogami 140++m.

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