Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[JATOSINT]

Between General and Minister, which one has a final say on which toy to be purchased?

Lapangan banteng

 

[R4duga]

https://www.inilah.com/pesan-untuk-laksamana-yudo-normalisasi-rasio-anggaran-jangan-akuisisi-kapal-selam-perancis

it's not KSAL who said it.
Between General and Minister, which one has a final say on which toy to be purchased?

looks like the defence analyst author in the referred article wanted indonesia to go with Type 209NG plan offered by TKMS alongside with 214 since he mentioned AIP, the germany side finally got some lobbied individual here.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496209930096766978

"Menurutnya, produksi versi ini sudah memenuhi aspek commonality (kesamaan), Interoperabilitas dan economical scale (hemat). Dia pun tidak merekomendasi rencana akuisisi kapal selam kelas Scorpene dari Perancis. Ketimbang mengakuisisi, Ade menyarankan, untuk tetap memproduksi kapal selam dari kelas Nagapasa dengan melibatkan desainer aslinya, Tyssenkrupp Jerman."

“Pertama untuk memperbaiki desain, dan kedua menjamin produksi untuk dapat menggunakan sistem Air Independent Propulsion, yang merupakan keharusan kapal selam modern. AIP Tyssenkrupp adalah yang sudah teruji berbanding apa yang ditawarkan Korea,” pungkasnya.

based on some of the formiler information, both naval group and TKMS actually had quite tempting offer, the first one with their lithium battery industry investment offer while the other side was more into submarine production technology (perhaps including whole blueprints & schematic).

 

[Umigami]

looks like the defence analyst author in the referred article wanted indonesia to go with Type 209NG plan offered by TKMS alongside with 214 since he mentioned AIP, the germany side finally got some lobbied individual here.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496209930096766978

"Menurutnya, produksi versi ini sudah memenuhi aspek commonality (kesamaan), Interoperabilitas dan economical scale (hemat). Dia pun tidak merekomendasi rencana akuisisi kapal selam kelas Scorpene dari Perancis. Ketimbang mengakuisisi, Ade menyarankan, untuk tetap memproduksi kapal selam dari kelas Nagapasa dengan melibatkan desainer aslinya, Tyssenkrupp Jerman."

“Pertama untuk memperbaiki desain, dan kedua menjamin produksi untuk dapat menggunakan sistem Air Independent Propulsion, yang merupakan keharusan kapal selam modern. AIP Tyssenkrupp adalah yang sudah teruji berbanding apa yang ditawarkan Korea,” pungkasnya.

based on some of the formiler information, both naval group and TKMS actually had quite tempting offer, the first one with their lithium battery industry investment offer while the other side was more into submarine production technology (perhaps including whole blueprints & schematic).

paying "pengamat militer" isn't enough though. If Yes, we should have been waiting for our J10 and JF17 land on IWJ now.

 

[R4duga]

paying "pengamat militer" isn't enough though. If Yes, we should have been waiting for our J10 and JF17 land on IWJ now.

OOT, no for the JF-17 those thing are started to be grounded everywhere, J-10B quite a nice option though...

 

[FPXAllen]

based on some of the formiler information, both naval group and TKMS actually had quite tempting offer, the first one with their lithium battery industry investment offer while the other side was more into submarine production technology (perhaps including whole blueprints & schematic).

Choices, choices...

However, to be honest, I'm skeptical if the other offer also includes the whole blueprints and schematics. It's not as if we're buying tens of submarines at once so this is kind of dubious to me.

While it's true that our military's arsenal of "gado-gado" weapons is a nightmare for the logistics department, but there's at least few major advantages to it as well. We're less likely to be dependent on just one source of technology, for one.

Heck, if someday we'll have more right people in the right positions, we can even begin to develop our own after learning (or reverse engineering) two similar things - in this case, submarines - but with two different countries' technologies behind each of them.

 

[Madokafc]

KRI Murasame

 

[Madokafc]

Indonesian representative visit to MHI production line facilities

 

[Umigami]

KRI Murasame View attachment 51113

so this was a sign after all

 

[FPXAllen]

Indonesian representative visit to MHI production line facilities

View attachment 51118

Finally, an update even if this does not really mean anything yet.

 

[Madokafc]

so this was a sign after all

They must face Turkish offer of the same class Frigates

 

[chibiyabi]

Indonesian representative visit to MHI production line facilities

View attachment 51118

They must face Turkish offer of the same class Frigates

wow.. truly palugada

 

[Madokafc]

Duta Besar Republik Indonesia (Dubes RI) untuk Jepang Heri Akhmadi menghadiri Tour Boarding Experience Kapal Frigate 30-FMM (Future Multi Missions) milik Angkatan Laut Jepang di Nagasaki pada Selasa (23/8).

Di sana, Duta Besar Republik Indonesia (Dubes RI) untuk Jepang, Heri Akhmadi menekankan, pentingnya transfer teknologi pada setiap kerja sama pertahanan yang dilakukan oleh Indonesia dengan negara lain, termasuk Jepang.

"Kunjungan ini untuk melihat transfer teknologi pertahanan dapat berjalan sebagaimana kesepakatan antara Menteri Pertahanan kedua negara pada 2021 lalu. Di mana kerja sama pembangunan 8 kapal Frigate, 4 kapal Frigate dibangun di Jepang dan 4 kapal akan di bangun di Indonesia," ujar Dubes Heri.

The Ambassador of the Republic of Indonesia (RI Ambassador) to Japan Heri Akhmadi attended the Tour Boarding Experience of the Japanese Navy's Frigate 30-FMM (Future Multi Missions) in Nagasaki on Tuesday (23/8).

There, the Ambassador of the Republic of Indonesia (RI Ambassador) to Japan, Heri Akhmadi emphasized the importance of technology transfer in any defense cooperation carried out by Indonesia with other countries, including Japan.

"This visit is to see that the transfer of defense technology can proceed as agreed between the Ministers of Defense of the two countries in 2021. Where the cooperation is in building 8 Frigate ships, 4 Frigate ships will be built in Japan and 4 ships will be built in Indonesia," said Ambassador Heri.

Perkuat Teknologi Pertahanan Dubes Heri Lihat Uji Coba Kapal Frigate AL Jepang

Duta Besar Republik Indonesia (Dubes RI) untuk Jepang Heri Akhmadi menghadiri Tour Boarding Experience Kapal Frigate 30-FMM (Future Multi Missions) milik Angkatan Laut Jepang di Nagasaki.

rm.id

 

[Lordimperator]

They must face Turkish offer of the same class Frigates

Mogami vs F142 Frigate?

 

[Madokafc]

Mogami vs F142 Frigate?

Yeah, as Indonesian Navy need at least 16 Frigates ( with 2 Type 31+ 6 FREMM is already signed)

 

[Lordimperator]

Yeah, as Indonesian Navy need at least 16 Frigates ( with 2 Type 31+ 6 FREMM is already signed)

Favoured Mogami, but which one is cheaper? F142 has bigger tonnage tho

 

[Madokafc]

Favoured Mogami, but which one is cheaper? F142 has bigger tonnage tho

Politically and economically , everything is in favor for Mogami class. Even when the president's is changing there is no problem at all as long as Japanese business interest still in place

 

[Umigami]

And Turkiye already got so many already, not to mention future drone potential contracts

 

[Lordimperator]

Politically and economically , everything is in favor for Mogami class. Even when the president's is changing there is no problem at all as long as Japanese business interest still in place

I hope there will be enough time before anything happens with Taiwan or North Korean.

 

[Parry Brima]

Mogami vs F142 Frigate?

F-142 is bigger in dimension :
- 4x8 SAM (compare to 16 of Mogami)
- 2x8 SSM (8 of Mogami)
- 2 torpedo launchers (1 of Mogami)

Mogami deal was $3.6 bil for eight ships. Not sure how much F-142 would cost.

@Anmdt any correction/additional info?

 

[Lordimperator]

F-142 is bigger in dimension :
- 4x8 SAM (compare to 16 of Mogami)
- 2x8 SSM (8 of Mogami)
- 2 torpedo launchers (1 of Mogami)

Mogami deal was $3.6 bil for eight ships. Not sure how much F-142 would cost.

@Anmdt any correction/additional info?

$450mil each, fully weaponized? Or like the 1st batch of jmsdf mogami, ffbnw.