Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Van Kravchenko]

Slovakia

Wew, not Czech ?

Will it be Zuzzana or Eva ?

 

[Madokafc]

Wew, not Czech ?

Will it be Zuzzana or Eva ?

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[Umigami]

Slovakia

NATO then...

Can it fit our LPD or LST ?

 

[Lordimperator]

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Wew, not Czech ?

Will it be Zuzzana or Eva ?

hopefully EVA, with Tatra platform.
But will they be the 1st and sole user of EVA?

 

[chiphocks]

hopefully EVA, with Tatra platform.
But will they be the 1st and sole user of EVA?

Looks like Marine would get to order their new artillery (SPH ) soon.

Chinese, Russian, Western (NATO) ?

wait, why don't they purchase another CAESAR????
the army already use it right?

 

[Madokafc]

wait, why don't they purchase another CAESAR????
the army already use it right?

Marine ....

 

[chibiyabi]

There're 2 reasons I can think of:
1. The usual case of kepala batu Marine higher-ups don't want to use the same equipment as the Army.
2. Some said Caesar is more expensive and lacks of budget forced Marine to buy less expensive alternative.

Dunno how Caesar is more expensive even though it have better economic of scale

well, if EVA going to be next marine SPH, surely their "kepala batu" already gone. since the first time marine insist, the SPH operators should be protected in cabin/turret, like zuzana.

 

[chiphocks]

well, if EVA going to be next marine SPH, surely their "kepala batu" already gone. since the first time marine insist, the SPH operators should be protected in cabin/turret, like zuzana.

how about this one?

excalibur army Dita 155mm SPH

 

[Umigami]

how about this one?

excalibur army Dita 155mm SPH

Can it fit into our LPD or LST ?

 

[Umigami]

Eva is only 1 meter longer and 3 tons heavier than Caesar. If Caesar can fit inside then Eva should be able to do the same.

His pics are excalibur Dita

 

[chiphocks]

Can it fit into our LPD or LST ?

this source said it's 13.02 meters length and 3.085 meter width and 3.122 meter height.
don't know that it will fit or not

 

[chibiyabi]

how about this one?

excalibur army Dita 155mm SPH

Zuzana just example, Dita could be strong contender, if marines stick to their first requirements. Excalibur had a good approach just like what happend to procurements from turk

 

[R4duga]

how about this one?

excalibur army Dita 155mm SPH

this one have shorter barrel length compared to EVA TMG and Zusana 2, 45 cal vs 52 cal.

i guess stick with the 52 cal barrel option since caesar have the same barrel length, assuming it could actually use the same munition and propellant (compatibility reason).

 

[Lordimperator]

this one have shorter barrel length compared to EVA TMG and Zusana 2, 45 cal vs 52 cal.

Excalibur Morana then.

 

[R4duga]

Excalibur Morana then.

EVA TMG is also promoted by EA though, in all honesty, morana is probably the most hideous and humongous looking SPH yet from excalibur army, not really in favor of it.

 

[R4duga]

EVA TMG is also available in 6x6 platform variants.

 

[Lordimperator]

morana is probably the most hideous and humongous looking SPH yet from excalibur army, not really in favor of it.

Its trade for ammo rounds, 40 ready + 5 in Morana vs 12 ready + 12 in EVA.
Eva 6x6 chasis could be carried by c130

 

[Anmdt]

Can Hisar A, O & U use the same launcher platform so they only need to change the missile pods?

What's the max range of Hisar O & U? Looking at the Wikipedia, the answers varies depending on the sources.

What's Siper actually? Another name for Hisar U variant with different spec than regular Hisar U or what?

Does Turkey planned for anti-ballistic missile variant of Hisar like Aster missile family in the future?

Hisar (missile family) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hisar ;
A, IIR seeker short range - low altitude SAM
O, IIR or RF seeker mid-range - medium altitude SAM / point defense missile / naval point defense missile
U, RF seeker long range - medium altitude SAM

Siper:
Block I, RF seeker long range - high altitude SAM
Block II, Dual band RF seeker long range - high altitude SAM with limited ABM
Block III, Dual band RF and IIR dual mode seeker ABM

Most confusing part; Hisar - U has migrated to Siper family (thus into Siper battery) and shifted original Siper blocks by +1. Now, Siper block I refers to Hisar - U and block II refers to original first member of Siper family, block I.

Siper block I a.k.a. Hisar-U can be used from common launcher with Hisar-A/O and same battery formation but missile now has longer range than expected to Hisar battery with current formation is not enough for it.

Ranges are the grey areas, Hisar - O IIR has 30+ km range (some says up to 35), Hisar-RF is more than 50 km.
Hisar - U / now Siper block I is more than 100 km.
Siper block 1 / now Siper block II is unknown but expected to be 150km.

 

[chiphocks]

If Marine requirement for armored cabin is true, there's 6x6 Caesar New Generation variant with armored cabin & fully automatic reloading system, same as Eva. This variant was ordered by Belgian army.

https://www.joint-forces.com/defenc...belgian-purchase-of-caesar-new-generation-sph

And it's already in indomiliter https://www.indomiliter.com/nexter-systems-kembangkan-caesar-6x6-mark-ii-next-generation/

if they satisfied by the current caesar, caesar NG would be a good choice....
but if they wanted something more, such as more ammo storage, capabilities and ext, the Morana can do a direct fire, also the gun, ammo and stuff are more protected since it basically a turret, less trouble when finding or adjusting the cannon for a good firing position...

 

[Umigami]

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