Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)
- Thread starter TR_123456
- Start date
- Messages
- 5,913
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
What New model need
-Development of technology and securing supplier sources for most parts
-Certification process
-installation process and field testing
-Projects flaw and bugs after installation, in which doesn't surface during development phase
- Debugging and fixing the bugs
That's need years and Costs you more US Dollar compared to proven and mature solution, meanwhile you need to learn how much the advantage incurred between the solution and are they worth your money and time or not?
- Messages
- 5,024
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
man, we lack both of them wkwk.
hopefully the submarine tech program with NG would be fruitful before PRC doing shenanigans.
- Messages
- 5,503
- Solutions
- 2
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
My experience has proven me that hopping into something in the earlier development phase, after a proper assessment of suitability, always pays off the extra effort within a given time. That comes much more usable than the ToT delivered as an "offset" on paper. During that phase, the given access is broader than what a typical end-user receives. Also comes with benefits of mastering the maintenance.
- Messages
- 5,913
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Up
This if only you had the time and resources, so you can reap further from the development phase. If only...
If what my friends said in MoD is can be trusted, Indonesia actually doesn't have much time and resource to leisurely doing what we are currently do (yeah ah 140 is a mess, so with other projects being handled by local companies) before great trouble arise in Pacific theater. In short i am suspected we are fucked up big time in near future, i hope not reach FUBAR level....
- Messages
- 5,024
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Sigh, they should have build the vanilla/ original solutions of AH140 rather than trying the modified ver. What are the other projects,OPV 90 ?
Hopefully MoD could pass the Italian made FREMM, while waiting for the Merah Putih frigate.
- Messages
- 5,503
- Solutions
- 2
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
It is either "now or never" case for the resources. If no resources are available for now, it will never be available in future for a broader ToT agreement. The ToT is mostly cracked during the detailed low-level maintenance instead of "building up" as per assumed by many.
In a war scenario, most also knows, maintenance ability comes front as much as the reliability does. A reliable system with no maintenance back up seems worse as much as the other way. Does foreign counterparts may assure the MoD that the maintenance and spare parts will be provided even at the war-like-scenario? There are examples of western companies holding their personnel off the conflict regions.
Also in most cases the source is willing to provide a trade-off for the trial customer with spare parts and personnel training. Especially if that particular customer may unlock future exports with sphere of the influence, or paving an example for other possible customers against a common a threat.
- Messages
- 9,765
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
this is crunch
Contributor
- Messages
- 657
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
I suddenly recall that MoF agree to fund $800 ish million for interim submarine a couple years ago, how is it, do you guys know something?
- Messages
- 5,024
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
$600mil
- Messages
- 5,024
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Even Brits type 31 will be using mk41, wonder what kind of vls will be fitted on KRI Merah Putih.
seriously started to hate those tacticool balaclava.....
Var Dracon
Contributor
- Messages
- 460
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
Nah they more looked like "Kami suka turbo" than Ghost
- Messages
- 5,913
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Om Mobiiii
Btw
If anything, Indonesian coast guard harbour base would be located in Batam. That's close to many capable local shipyard for maintenance repair and support.
this is crunch
Contributor
- Messages
- 657
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Indonesian Navy First Fleet also being relocated to Tanjung Uban, Bintan, an island next to Batam
this is crunch
Contributor
- Messages
- 657
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
ID Navy really rely on these twins, always on priority when the Execises and State Mission calls.
Would another ship be envy by them?
- Messages
- 6,450
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
So it's closer to hot spots (natuna and Malacca strait) ?
this is crunch
Contributor
- Messages
- 657
- Reactions
- Nation of residence
-
- Nation of origin
-
Yes.. Stretching arm to efficiently reach area of potential crimes, conflict, and security threat
Meanwhile Jakarta becomes Main Naval Base (Lantamal) III only, consist of fleet of patrol boat. Java already had the 2nd Fleet in Tanjung Perak, Surabaya
Last edited:
