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Hmm... Pretty good analysis of the possibilities of why it was happened. Appreciate it.
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Agree, I really hope that Japan offer got materialized. The time is now to procure larget amount of Frigate, I dont care if its going to take 10+ years to be done but I think its enough to do "small" procurement and starting to go big if we dont want to end up having way less Naval assets in the next decade. Same goes with AU fighters.
Oh boy, you prolly right. But BMP-3F is relatively affordable assets, a dozen more to replace the old one wont hurt much....
Problem is more on political side regard with Russian foreign policy resulting in sanction when dealing with them, not on money
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That is very sad indeed. We're going to need a lot of modern amphibious assets WHEN we retake NatunaOh boy, you prolly right. But BMP-3F is relatively affordable assets, a dozen more to replace the old one wont hurt much....
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I don't think they will take Natuna .. they alreay have their man made island as a forward base... They simply gonna cripple the island... It is rather gonna be a swarm drone assault war and a lot of missile attack... Conventional Marines swarming the the land probably gonna happen in Batam, before the move to Sumatra... Not much land asset to fight the 'locust', not as much land asset compare to java... They will settle with conquering Sumatra... Repositioning their troops and assets before moving somewhere else... That is if they intend to invade us... Another scenario perhaps they will attack Vietnam or Thailand first... Less effort, same strategic result, securing the straits
that question is already asked since long time , previously they were also found near bintan .
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This is what I fear the most. It's not about Taiwan, SCS, or any land/sea claimed by 9 dash lines. It's all about Malacca strait.
interim diesel electric sub
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Will it be a new diesel electric sub or the used ones like alman helvas tweeted in twitter today
some people said it was actually for DSME sub initial payment .......
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Italian shipyard Offer its Surface Combatant Ship
29 Desember 2020
Fincantieri FREMM frigate (photo : marina difesa)
Japan Wants to Sell the Frigates to Indonesia, the Italian Offer also Appears
Among the priorities of the Tokyo government is the export of military equipment with particular attention to the area of Japanese influence.
Japan is allegedly pushing the sale of military ships to Indonesia in order to fuel the vision of a "free Indo-Pacific".
The units in question would be the "30FFM" classified as destroyers by Japan but frigates in all respects.
Tokyo has in fact chosen to launch this new class of ships to support the larger units and carry out the "minor" tasks.
A way to increase the operational capacity and the number of ships available to the Chief of Staff to face China more widely. The numbers are in fact very important: 8 units for the first batch and 22 for the second.
The price, including four units, should be 300 billion yen for the Indonesian tax payer .
Taking into account the exchange rate (1 yen = 0.0082 euros as of November 6, 2020), the expenditure is 2.45 billion euros, specifically 612 million euros per unit.
Mitsubishi 30FFM (photo : NavalNews)
30DX or 30FFM
The proposed Japanese units, which can give us a rough idea of what Jakarta wants, have a displacement of around 5,000 tons, a length of 130 meters and a width of 16 meters.
The armament consists of a Mk-45 cannon in the bow, two quadruple Type 17 anti-ship missile launchers, a SeaRAM launcher, Type 12 light torpedoes and 16 VLS Mk-41 cells.
Propulsion is ensured by a Rolls Royce MT30 gas turbine and two MAN diesel generators , in the CODAG (Combined Diesel and Gas) configuration, capable of propelling the Japanese frigate to more than 30 knots.
The radar is the AESA OPY-2 in X-band is derived from the FCS-3 already installed on several units of the Japanese Navy. To complete the suite of sensors, the OAX-3 for EO/IR, OQQ-25 consisting of the sonar in the bow and the trailed bulb and OQQ-11 for minesweeper operations. All managed by the OYQ-1 Combat Management System (CMS).
The frigates are also capable of carrying out "minesweepers" missions thanks to the use of remotely controlled means and to lay mines.
The diamond point of the ships is the innative bridge that uses virtual reality.
A total of 90 crew members can be found on board.
Fincantieri PPA (image : Occar)
The Italian offer
As reported by “The Japan News”, in addition to the Japanese offer, an “Italian shipyard” also shows the intention to participate when some important parameters such as price and participation of local industries are set.
It can be clearly understood that the “Italian shipyard” is Fincantieri .
The Trieste group could offer both a version of the FREMM "cut" for Indonesian needs, the Multipurpose Offshore Patrol/Pattugliatori Polivalenti d’Altura (PPA) or the "corvette" for Qatar Doha class.
The above figures are very high but it is not clear whether or not they include other costs such as logistical and training support.
However, taking the figures aseptically, it is consequent to make a comparison with the sale of the two FREMMs to Egypt for 1.2 billion euros.
Here too it is not known with certainty the list of expenses but we are at 600 million euros per unit.
On an order of four ships it is possible to make greater use of the economy of scale and to meet the needs of the customer.
The same Multipurpose Offshore Patrol boats have equipment and dimensions that do not differ much from the 30DX.
The graphic will appear clearer.
Il Giappone vuole vendere le fregate all'Indonesia, spunta anche l'offerta italiana
Tra le priorità del Governo di Tokyo c’è l’export di equipaggiamento militare con particolare attenzione per l’area di influenza giapponese. Il Giappone starebbe infatti spingendo la vendita di navi militari verso l’Indonesia in modo da alimentare la visione di un “indo-pacifico libero”. Le...
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So 08 doesn't like that thing but Navy try to push on?
I though someone here (or PDF) said 08 already tell SM not to pay it?
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For them to land any boots outside the outer islands is downright suicidal for them. And I'm pretty sure their military planner fully aware of it. Crippling Natuna or took it is the most likely scenario, because there is no way they could surge forward further without doing so.
pencil for the bung tomo class and friends .
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so to summarize the revelation from lembaga keris for our navy we got :
- DP for submarine
- Gatling gun for KAL and PENERBAL helo
- DP for another batch of BMP-3F
- MICA for Bung Tomo class
- A 244 S. Mod 3 Torpedo
- FCS upgrade for Bung Tomo class SSM from Exocet block II to block III
- DP for submarine
- Gatling gun for KAL and PENERBAL helo
- DP for another batch of BMP-3F
- MICA for Bung Tomo class
- A 244 S. Mod 3 Torpedo
- FCS upgrade for Bung Tomo class SSM from Exocet block II to block III
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All procurement in LKPP should be read as 'budget allocation request', right? Atau semua yang ada di LKPP = sudah disetujui semua pihak termasuk Kemenkeu dan Bappenas?
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Far from being an UVV, looks like a glider installed with basic measurement equipment (salinity, temp, depth, clarity), the best to be found is an acoustic receiver (hydrophone),and a satellite antenna on the rear.
Such systems usually get lost in the sea because their battery may run out,or they lack a propeller for long range motions,and using INS when they are submerged.
Painted yellow, makes it more of an scientific equipment than a military equipment which has got lost in somewhere and drifted around. The paint has came out,so it is drifting away at least for months or years and scratching around.
Usually there is a plate attached to those,sometimes painted on the hull as "property of an institute,please return here or call this number upon discovery". For ethical reaons these are usually returned but up to the soverign state if captured in territorial waters. If captured in EEZ it would definitely flame some debates on immunity of government vessels.
Sea Wing
Sea Wing is an unmanned underwater vehicle glider developed by China's Academy of Sciences.
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