Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[R4duga]

All procurement in LKPP should be read as 'budget allocation request', right? Atau semua yang ada di LKPP = sudah disetujui semua pihak termasuk Kemenkeu dan Bappenas?

harus nya kalo udah terpampang seperti itu udah disetujui . (should've been already approved)

 

[Parry Brima]

interim diesel electric sub

https://www.facebook.com/lembagakeris/photos/a.295458637229153/3274987945942859

$17 mil is too low for new submarine DP. This is probably DP for the used one.

 

[Madokafc]

Any increasing capability will be welcomed greatly, including post for a Frigate

 

[Umigami]

Any increasing capability will be welcomed greatly, including post for a Frigate View attachment 10028

Sigma again? Or 30ffm, fremm, belhara?

 

[Madokafc]

Sigma again? Or 30ffm, fremm, belhara?

Or used ones?

 

[Anmdt]

Or used ones?

First payment of IH?
The price equals to $60 million, which is 1/12th of the $720 million.

 

[Umigami]

Or used ones?

Could be

 

[l3onhard]

Any increasing capability will be welcomed greatly, including post for a Frigate View attachment 10028

This must be iver class OR rem batch 2.

 

[R4duga]

https://www.facebook.com/lembagakeris/posts/3276556565785997

 

[Nilgiri]

that question is already asked since long time , previously they were also found near bintan . View attachment 10015 View attachment 10016 View attachment 10017

Woah didnt know about this level of stuff going on....

 

[Anmdt]

Woah didnt know about this level of stuff going on....

Just a glider mate..
several dozens and more found annually by fisherman.
These vehicles has minimum-to no propulsion, no guidance, using INS + GPS at the best, there is no way China could drive these into Indonesian waters but probably leaving at proper locations so they would drift into,and they would collect some data,still i doubt any useful intelligence for military reason.
This is pretty much how they end up in Indonesian territory: Also the current from SCS down to malacca.

updated map to a creditable one.
source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ar-surface-currents-around-the_fig1_237309240

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344108979207618560

 

[Madokafc]

Just a glider mate..
several dozens and more found annually by fisherman.
These vehicles has minimum-to no propulsion, no guidance, using INS + GPS at the best, there is no way China could drive these into Indonesian waters but probably leaving at proper locations so they would drift into,and they would collect some data,still i doubt any useful intelligence for military reason.
This is pretty much how they end up in Indonesian territory: Also the current from SCS down to malacca.
View attachment 10055

No lah, those are still quite useful for any Naval planner to gather information about sea current, chlorophyle, salinity and other related stuff especially needed for Submarine operation. Those one found by Indonesian still had their camera is in active mode and working when being retrieved. The US too had developing their own sea glider and some had been found near China coastal area and the Chinese made a fuss and complained against US over such operation.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344132999764316160

Original link: KOMANDO ARMADA II (@koarmada2) • Instagram photos and videos

 

[Madokafc]

Seems Indonesia up the ante their playing field, no more Light Frigates class

 

[Anmdt]

No lah, those are still quite useful for any Naval planner to gather information about sea current, chlorophyle, salinity and other related stuff especially needed for Submarine operation. Those one found by Indonesian still had their camera is in active mode and working when being retrieved. The US too had developing their own sea glider and some had been found near China coastal area and the Chinese made a fuss and complained against US over such operation.

Those information can also be retrieved from ocean-sea current simulations. The simulations are much more accurate nowadays and chinese are investing in such researchs crazily.
Also there are satellites, civilian ships equipped with research equipments, image processing, local informants to measure such things and deliver to china, plus open scientific data published by indonesians or foreigners doing research in indonesia etc.
Everybody is developing a glider, scientific studies at the sea costs a lot. Too much money spent on researchers, crew, uuv operators plus the operation costs of the ships, gliders are so cheap that can be dropped in mass numbers, and can complete a similar research in a short time, and still cheaper than full research team.
They have great military use as well, but the ones caught in indonesia seem to wear off. Probably drifted around for a long time.
And kind of scientific study conducted had sea definitely has a military value, just it has to be interpreted that way and converted into valuable data.

 

[Parry Brima]

View attachment 10099

Seems Indonesia up the ante their playing field, no more Light Frigates class

Doha class is about half the displacement of FREMM, PPA, and 30FFM. Unless we want to up the ante of both the frigates and the corvettes playing field too.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Who TF drawing this so-called current flow? Who ever that was, they ought to be fired, because it is very obvious to me, they don't have the slightest idea on the fundamental of sea current But hey any non Indonesia who willingly believe this particular fairy tale of sea current chart is free to believe them as they wish

Also the current from SCS down to malacca.
View attachment 10055

 

[Anmdt]

Who TF drawing this so-called current flow? Who ever that was, they ought to be fired, because it is very obvious to me, they don't have the slightest idea on the fundamental of sea current But hey any non Indonesia who willingly believe this particular fairy tale of sea current chart is free to believe them as they wish

Figure 1 Map of the Southeast Asian archipelago showing the major...

Download scientific diagram | Map of the Southeast Asian archipelago showing the major near-surface currents around the region: NEC: North Equatorial Current; NECC: North Equatorial Countercurrent; KC: Kuroshio Current; MC: Mindanao Current; ITF: Indonesian Throughflow; SEC: South Equatorial...

www.researchgate.net

A renowned professor also presented a similar map. I am updating map to his image
You probably might know about this as well:

Indonesian Throughflow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you have a better map i would welcome it.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Figure 1 Map of the Southeast Asian archipelago showing the major...

Download scientific diagram | Map of the Southeast Asian archipelago showing the major near-surface currents around the region: NEC: North Equatorial Current; NECC: North Equatorial Countercurrent; KC: Kuroshio Current; MC: Mindanao Current; ITF: Indonesian Throughflow; SEC: South Equatorial...

www.researchgate.net

A renowned professor also presented a similar map. I am updating map to his image
You probably might know about this as well:

Indonesian Throughflow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I never trust any academia who never left their armchair

If you have a better map i would welcome it.

Sorry not going to give you any. Most of my charts are printed. And I also print my own when needed.

Anyway, the current in Celebes Sea is generally East - West direction and Southward when entering Makassar Strait until it met the Northward current that flow from the edge of Java Sea at 0° latitude. It's rather chaotic down there (underwater) at 0° latitude. Most Indonesian traditional fisherman are well aware of this and doesn't need any academia or chart to tell them otherwise. Most traditional fisherman around here doesn't even have compass let alone GPS or chart.