Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[this is crunch]

Is this accurate? If yes it is more North than previously thought here
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that what Chief Of Staff Said on the latest Press Conference, you can check it on youtube

 

[this is crunch]

Is this accurate? If yes it is more North than previously thought here
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Terbelah Tiga, KRI Nanggala Tenggelam di Kedalaman 838 Meter

KSAL menyebut KRI Nanggala ditemukan tenggelam di kedalaman 838 meter. Kapal selam itu terbelah tiga dan seluruh awaknya dinyatakan gugur.

www.cnnindonesia.com

same here

 

[FPXAllen]

Well, i am more concerned on how we are to cope the aftermath of this incident. KRI Nanggala 402 set crew is one of the most experience and best we had, they had nurturing decades worth of knowledge and set skill as submariner and now in this incident, just as most of the senior crew is training new batch of Submariner in this drill, they had to perished. meanwhile this happened when Indonesia Navy is already set to expanding the silent service....there is bound to many cancellation of programme (especially live excercise, drill, routine sailing and so on) and even basic training mostly being done with using simulator.

That will be one step back, of course. But if it means that the navy will use that opportunity to conduct thorough investigation in order to prevent further accidents from happening again, it will be worth it in the long run.

 

[whatintarnation]

not related to navy but close , currently there's an uproar in US , one of the imporant historical piece of vessels during 9/11 , Cutter USCGC ADAK wanted to be sold to indonesian coast guard ...

they can keep their 110ft long bucket of bolts

we dont want it

also folks just take a look at this

these people man

 

[schuimpjes]

More about lieutenant Colonel Heri Oktavian

He want to have sub more than Changbogo class. More deterrent!

Pesan dari Komandan KRI Nanggala-402

Kami pun bertukar gosip. Heri sangat khawatir dengan rencana pembelian kapal selam bekas. Ia menceritakan betapa TNI AL, khususnya korps Hiu Kencana, membutuhkan kapal selam mumpuni, yang mampu bertempur.

www.kompas.id

Okay, definitely something wrong with Alugoro.

"Untuk itu ia berharap para pembuat keputusan benar-benar memikirkan TNI dan prajuritnya, bukan hanya ”asal bapak senang” demi pangkat dan kursi yang enak atau keuntungan material."

Ouchhh!! Some serious words right here. He was not kind of guy that "jilat pantat atasan sampai bersih" aka Penjilat. This guy was a serious idealist, really hard to "nekuk-nekuk" This kind of guy, a good leadership material. Good he was a Submarine Commander, that makes people to stay believe if meritocracy still exist.

 

[whatintarnation]

just whaaaaa......t?!

my reaction exactly

 

[Umigami]

"Untuk itu ia berharap para pembuat keputusan benar-benar memikirkan TNI dan prajuritnya, bukan hanya ”asal bapak senang” demi pangkat dan kursi yang enak atau keuntungan material."

Ouchhh!! Some serious words right here. He was not kind of guy that "jilat pantat atasan sampai bersih" aka Penjilat. This guy was a serious idealist, really hard to "nekuk-nekuk" This kind of guy, a good leadership material. Good he was a Submarine Commander, that makes people to stay believe if meritocracy still exist.

And now we lost him.

 

[Anmdt]

Is this accurate? If yes it is more North than previously thought here
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officially given coordinates is actually very close to swift rescue's location:
see in here:

Mega Bakti has arrived, i think it is first headed to the port and will be loaded with Indian DSRV.
Swift Rescue is in fixed position:
KRI Rigel deployed to another sector,
KN-SAR ships scanning the region through, we can assume they are hunting for the debris.
KRI Soputan,ocean-going tug is on the way to one of the sites.
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[trishna_amrta]

The wreckage coordinate 07 48' 56" S - 114 51' 20" E

Is this accurate? If yes it is more North than previously thought here
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Well if we're going with the salvage plan, we better do it fast, before the site will be buried under tons of mud

 

[Anmdt]

Sampai Jumpa crew of KRI 402, they have served their duty and they will be resting in peace in where they will feel the most peaceful. Condolences to the Indonesia and relatives&acquaintances of the crew.

 

[trishna_amrta]

they can keep their 110ft long bucket of bolts

we dont want it

also folks just take a look at this
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these people man

You do know that If you ever try to refute their claim you will be banned simply for not being "white" enough. It doesn't matter be that in any social-media, or the not-so neutral Wikipedia, Reddit, Quora, etc. If you ain't white or black then you will be banned if you're ever voicing any dissenting opinion

 

[Anmdt]

Well if we're going with the salvage plan, we better do it fast, before the site will be buried under tons of mud

Not many countries have specialized with submarine recovery, especially one which has lost the structural integrity.
It can take months to prepare a plan and deploy recovery ships, probably it will be done by US.
How long would it take mud to settle in that region?

The maintenance of the submarine must be done once every 6 years until its service life, and after that, it is common to shorten the period, which means that the maintenance of the submarine has not been performed for 9 years . The maintenance of the submarine was scheduled for next year. Even a local military source told the Hankook Ilbo that "the submarine has never submerged since 2018."

Some believe that the political intent is underpinned by this non-regular training. The reason is that it is unclear why the training to launch a torpedo with an old German submarine has not yet been entered, with torpedoes entering the new Korean submarine . In fact, Defense Minister Frabower Subianto has expressed interest in purchasing additional German submarines.

53명 태우고 사라진 인니 잠수함, 왜 무리한 훈련 나섰나 | 한국일보

53명을 태우고 실종된 인도네시아 해군의 독일산 잠수함은 무리하게 훈련에 나선 것으로 드러났다. 내구 연한이 한참 지난 데다 정비마저 제대로 되지 않은 노후 잠수함을 어뢰 발사 훈련에 동원한 건 납득하기 어렵다는 것이다. 심지어 이 잠수함은 3년간 잠항 훈련에 나선 적이 없는 것으로 알려졌다. 탑승자들의 생존 확률이 지극히 낮아 이번 잠수함 참사는 인재(人

m.hankookilbo.com

Hmmm... why all nagapasa class never firing its Blackshark torpedo and in this drill use old submarine instead ?

I will find the guys who write such articles and crush their head...
I am not going into details as of now, maybe i will later.

 

[Captain Wales]

Okay, definitely something wrong with Alugoro.

there's always problem with nagapasa class but the problem mostly lies on ship system especially their battery and as far as i know, most of those problem already resolved.

but i'm sure after this incident our CBG batch 2 program with south korea would be under scrutiny from politician and public and the possibility those program to be canceled/replace would be higher.

 

[Barjo]

The maintenance of the submarine must be done once every 6 years until its service life, and after that, it is common to shorten the period, which means that the maintenance of the submarine has not been performed for 9 years . The maintenance of the submarine was scheduled for next year. Even a local military source told the Hankook Ilbo that "the submarine has never submerged since 2018."

Some believe that the political intent is underpinned by this non-regular training. The reason is that it is unclear why the training to launch a torpedo with an old German submarine has not yet been entered, with torpedoes entering the new Korean submarine . In fact, Defense Minister Frabower Subianto has expressed interest in purchasing additional German submarines.

53명 태우고 사라진 인니 잠수함, 왜 무리한 훈련 나섰나 | 한국일보

53명을 태우고 실종된 인도네시아 해군의 독일산 잠수함은 무리하게 훈련에 나선 것으로 드러났다. 내구 연한이 한참 지난 데다 정비마저 제대로 되지 않은 노후 잠수함을 어뢰 발사 훈련에 동원한 건 납득하기 어렵다는 것이다. 심지어 이 잠수함은 3년간 잠항 훈련에 나선 적이 없는 것으로 알려졌다. 탑승자들의 생존 확률이 지극히 낮아 이번 잠수함 참사는 인재(人

m.hankookilbo.com

Hmmm... why all nagapasa class never firing its Blackshark torpedo and in this drill use old submarine instead ?

Please dont be kompor

 

[Umigami]

How long would it take mud to settle in that region?

Seems pretty fast to me.
Even now the wreck is quite muddy already.

 

[Umigami]

Please dont be kompor

Hmmm... I'll delete my post.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Not many countries have specialized with submarine recovery, especially one which has lost the structural integrity.
It can take months to prepare a plan and deploy recovery ships, probably it will be done by US.
How long would it take mud to settle in that region?

From the latest press conference the Navy Chief of Staff did mention that they had received few offers for salvage, but not mentioning further, other that they need to discuss it further with the gov't (most likely for funding)
There hasn't been any thorough research regarding the mud flow that I'm aware of, however the mud only held in place upon a steep cliff (EuroAsia continental shelf) only by their own weight (thus prone to triggering tsunami) the mud will flow every time there is seismic activity, so it's difficult to guestimate. So in this case the quicker the salvage can be done the better.

 

[Captain Wales]

Well if we're going with the salvage plan, we better do it fast, before the site will be buried under tons of mud

probably would take a year or two (if the gov really committed), the gov needed to find a company who specialized on deep sea salvage, set up planning/do simulation, man power, constructing specialized equipment needed for salvage, etc (also there's this pandemic thing going on).

probably it will be done by US.

either that or some Dutch company

 

[FPXAllen]

there's always problem with nagapasa class but the problem mostly lies on ship system especially their battery and as far as i know, most of those problem already resolved.

but i'm sure after this incident our CBG batch 2 program with south korea would be under scrutiny from politician and public and the possibility those program to be canceled/replace would be higher.

If the 2nd CBG program will be cancelled, at this point I can't decide whether it's good or not. Good, if it means that the navy and MoD will look for other options - let's say, Scorpene subs which some will be assembled and eventually build in Indonesia. But if the root of the problems with CBG program actually mostly came from our side, then I'm afraid it won't make much difference.

 

[Nilgiri]

though i salute for everyone involved in the search and rescue effort either from indonesia side who pointed the location of the vessels , or the foreign entities who helped us in making the visual contact with the wreckage .

finding submarine wreckage in just a span of 5 days after it's loss is not an easy task , a previous incident may take month or even year .

RIP to the fallen

Unfortunately man I cannot imagine the pain they are going through. May Allah comfort them in this time of despair.

What a way to go they were just serving their duty for their country, their families and their honour.

Imagine being a husband and having kids while you dive underwater. Cannot imagine the thing that comes to your mind is being with them especially at the end of Ramadan when you look forward to spending time with them.

I hope this leads to a proper drive to modernisation of the Indonesian Armed forces. I hope lessons are learnt from this tragedy. Also these lessons will be learnt by everybody around the world about the dangers of being in a Submarine.

Modern day submarines are safe compared to the past but still anything can go wrong.

Submariners are a cut above all else in military....let me tell you why.

The main danger in torpedo firing isn’t a faulty weapon, it’s that you’re opening a great big hole in the people tank.

No other operation in the military is done like this, and so frequently and routinely (with this pressure differential in one-way confined system).

There are all kind of things that I could expand upon here, but the moment is still wrong to do so....I will wait for some time.

I will say this....DSRV of a submarine is no easy feat, the chances of successful DSRV operation (in real world) have many obstacles.

One includes the submarine needing to rest on sea bed pretty much upright. There is a +/- angle that is manageable, but if there is more tilt than that....there can be no contact+seal established with the DSRV basically.

All these kind of reasons are why many submariners consider the submarine rescue systems to be more for moral support for those left behind at home rather than an actual lifeline, as most of the time they operate in waters deeper than those that a successful rescue can be carried out.

Yet of course all resources at hand (above water) must be employed to both prepare for and try our best for the miracle if its God's plan in the end.

Submariners are fully aware and trained of these facts, they know the chances of death if something goes terribly wrong are very high, YET willingly accept them every time they put to sea.

It applies to KRI Nanggala just the same.