Live Conflict Iran-Afghanistan tension

[GoatsMilk]

I wouldn't underestimate Iran, they have a decent-size military arsenal and the Taliban so far is fighting a bunch of border guards and conscripts. If the Revolutionary Guard gets involved with tanks, drones and the lot, then I think we can more accurately assess how capable the Taliban is of taking on Iran.

That being said, I have a strong feeling that the Taliban is being backed by the CIA here. There have been reports of Taliban representatives meeting with US CENTCOM officials only a couple of days ago. So maybe the Taliban is packing more goodies courtesy of Lockheed Martin that could make life very difficult for the Iranian army.

Afghanistan doesn't have the material to invade and occupy Iran, but they certainly have the means to create trouble. Could the CIA be behind it, potentially. However we also now that the Iranians shit stir and cause all sorts of trouble for surrounding nations, arguably being more a destabilisation nation in the middle east then Isreal. So could it just be a case of Iranians causing trouble and the Afghans not taking their shit, thats also probable.

Honestly of the two sides the Persians and the afghans, i got more faith in the Taliban telling the truth then i have the iranian regime, who has a culture where if they can deceive you they cherish it. Basically the opposite of Turkish culture where being a lying, manipulating, deceiving crook is seen as the lowest of lows.

 

[Anastasius]

Afghanistan doesn't have the material to invade and occupy Iran, but they certainly have the means to create trouble. Could the CIA be behind it, potentially. However we also now that the Iranians shit stir and cause all sorts of trouble for surrounding nations, arguably being more a destabilisation nation in the middle east then Isreal. So could it just be a case of Iranians causing trouble and the Afghans not taking their shit, thats also probable.

Honestly of the two sides the Persians and the afghans, i got more faith in the Taliban telling the truth then i have the iranian regime, who has a culture where if they can deceive you they cherish it. Basically the opposite of Turkish culture where being a lying, manipulating, deceiving crook is seen as the lowest of lows.

Ignoring the rather questionable painting of all Persians as liars, it's quite possible for the Afghans to be sick of Iran's bullshit and also get egged on by America.

You can't generally convince someone to attack somebody else out of nowhere but if there's a solid foundation, you can give them a tiny push to do something about it and say you got their back with weapons and intel support.

 

[Agha Sher]

Ignoring the rather questionable painting of all Persians as liars, it's quite possible for the Afghans to be sick of Iran's bullshit and also get egged on by America.

You can't generally convince someone to attack somebody else out of nowhere but if there's a solid foundation, you can give them a tiny push to do something about it and say you got their back with weapons and intel support.

I am not certain about CIA's involvement.

The news of a meeting is only being spread by Tajik separatist accounts which usually have no insider information. They claim all sort of things.

That being said, a conflict with Iran will present an opportunity for CIA/Mossad/Azerbaijan/Turkiye. I think official recognition will be required by the Taliban for working with the Americans/Turks.

 

[Nykyus]

For thousands of years, Iran owned Afghanistan, which in ancient times was called Bactria

The last time Iran owned Afghanistan was under the Safavid dynasty, the enemy of the Ottoman Empire and the Uzbeks

 

[Agha Sher]

For thousands of years, Iran owned Afghanistan, which in ancient times was called Bactria

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The last time Iran owned Afghanistan was under the Safavid dynasty, the enemy of the Ottoman Empire and the Uzbeks

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Please keep your bs for yourself. you say "thousand of years" while showing empires that actually controlled Afghanistan for a few decades. Afghan empires also controlled Iran, what is your point?

Go back to getting your ass kicked in Ukraine.

 

[Anastasius]

For thousands of years, Iran owned Afghanistan, which in ancient times was called Bactria

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The last time Iran owned Afghanistan was under the Safavid dynasty, the enemy of the Ottoman Empire and the Uzbeks

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Safavids were an Azerbaijani dynasty (though Iranians have done their best to vandalize Wikipedia on that account) and Iran has never ruled more than half of Afghanistan which did not include Kabul. And as Agha points out, Afghans also had their empires ruling parts of Iran in the past.

 

[Agha Sher]

Safavids were an Azerbaijani dynasty (though Iranians have done their best to vandalize Wikipedia on that account) and Iran has never ruled more than half of Afghanistan which did not include Kabul. And as Agha points out, Afghans also had their empires ruling parts of Iran in the past.

Exactly, iranians haven't actually done anything for almost 1.5 millennia. It been Turks doing the work for them - now they are just trying to change their history by claiming them to be Persians.

 

[Ecderha]

Iran exchanges heavy gunfire with Taliban on Afghan border, escalating tensions over water rights

The Taliban and Iran have exchanged heavy gunfire on the Islamic Republic’s border with Afghanistan

abcnews.go.com

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- The Taliban and Iran exchanged heavy gunfire Saturday on the Islamic Republic's border with Afghanistan, killing and wounding troops while sharply escalating rising tensions between the two countries amid a dispute over water rights.

Iran's state-run IRNA news agency quoted the country's deputy police chief, Gen. Qassem Rezaei, accusing the Taliban of opening fire first Saturday morning on the border of Iran’s Sistan and Baluchestan province and the Afghan province of Nimroz. IRNA said Iran inflicted “heavy casualties and serious damage."

From the Taliban's view, Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman Abdul Nafi Takor accused Iran of shooting first. Takor said the firefight killed two people, one from each country, and wounded others. He described the situation as now being under control.

IRNA, quoting Iranian police, said two border guards had been killed. However, that number may be higher. The semiofficial, English-language newspaper Tehran Times said the fighting killed three Iranian border guards. IRNA said the Milak border crossing with Afghanistan, a major trade route, was closed until further notice over the gunfight.

“The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan considers dialogue to be a reasonable way for any problem,” Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman Enayatullah Khawarazmi said in a statement. “Making excuses for war and negative actions is not in the interest of any of the parties.”


The advocacy group HalVash, which reports on issues affecting the Baluch people in the predominately Sunni province of Sistan and Baluchestan, quoted residents in the area saying the fighting took place near the Kang district of Nimroz. It said some people in the area had fled the violence.

Videos posted online, purportedly from the area, included the crackle of machine gun fire in the distance. HalVash later posted an image of what appeared to be the remains of a mortar round, saying that “heavy weapons and mortars are being used.”

Later videos from HalVash purported to show Iranian forces firing a mortar, as well as Taliban troops firing American-made machine guns at an Iranian border post. Other Taliban fighters drove armored vehicles likely left behind by NATO forces.

Iran vowed not let the Taliban attack stand.

“The border forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran will decisively respond to any border trespassing and aggression, and the current authorities of Afghanistan must be held accountable for their unmeasured and contrary actions to international principles," IRNA quoted Iran's police chief, Gen. Ahmadreza Radan, as saying.


The clash comes as Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi earlier this month warned the Taliban not to violate Iran's water rights to the Helmand River. Raisi's remarks represented some of the strongest yet over the long-running concerns about water in Iran.

Drought has been a problem in Iran for some 30 years, but has worsened over the past decade, according to the U.N.’s Food and Agriculture Organization. The Iran Meteorological Organization says that an estimated 97% of the country now faces some level of drought.

The Taliban seized Afghanistan in August 2021 as U.S. and NATO troops were in the final weeks of their pullout from the country after 20 years of war. In the time since, Afghanistan has become the most repressive in the world for women and girls, depriving them of virtually all their basic rights, according to the U.N. Hunger remains endemic.

While not directly accepting the Taliban government, Iran has maintained relations with Afghanistan's new rulers. Tehran also has called on the Taliban to allow women and girls to go to school.

Earlier on Saturday, the Taliban's Acting Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi met with an Iranian envoy to Afghanistan to discuss the Helmand River water rights, according to tweets from Afghan Foreign Ministry official Zia Ahmad. IRNA acknowledged the meeting, saying “that issues between the two countries will be better resolved through dialogue.”


But tensions have otherwise been rising. Another video posted online in recent days purportedly showed a standoff with Iranian forces and the Taliban as Iranian construction workers tried to reinforce the border between the two countries.

In recent days, pro-Taliban accounts online also have been sharing a video with a song calling on the acting defense minister, Mullah Mohammad Yaqoob, to stand up to Iran. Mullah Yaqoob is the son of Mullah Mohammad Omar, the Taliban’s late founder and first supreme leader.

“We are a government, we have power,” the song goes. “Our leader Mullah Yaqoob will stand against Iran or we are not the republic’s government. We are not slaves, our leader Mullah Yaqoob will stand against Iran.”

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Associated Press writers Rahim Faiez in Islamabad and Amir Vahdat in Tehran, Iran, contributed to this report.

Fact is that Iran state and Mullah made so many intrusions in Afghanistan.
They keep doing terrorism inside Afghanistan and Islamic State think that they will continue to do that when WAR is over.
No no at moment we will start seeing what Afghanistan can do.

 

[Ecderha]

Afghanistan is taking a lot of risk here. We do not even have basic air defence. Their crappy drones will be a major obstacle for us in a conflict.

We need to acquire MANPADS asap but I think it will be hard to find a seller

If Afghanistan start WAR with Islamic State then they will quickly get lot of support and supplies from many countries.

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662868536312700929

Humiliation of iran if true.

 

[contricusc]

so the ISLAMIC republic of Iran and the ISLAMIC emirate of Afghanistan are murdering each other over water? Mashallah.

It’s the rivalry between republics and emirates.

 

[Bozan]

Now you know why the Americans left so much military equipment.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Ignoring the rather questionable painting of all Persians as liars, it's quite possible for the Afghans to be sick of Iran's bullshit and also get egged on by America.

You can't generally convince someone to attack somebody else out of nowhere but if there's a solid foundation, you can give them a tiny push to do something about it and say you got their back with weapons and intel support.

Don't get it twisted I'm not painting Persians as liars I'm simply saying that lying and deceiving is an acceptable part of persian culture. In Turkey you get liars and deceivers but its not acceptable within the culture.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Exactly, iranians haven't actually done anything for almost 1.5 millennia. It been Turks doing the work for them - now they are just trying to change their history by claiming them to be Persians.

Even the persian general who trump cooked basically said that because of the Turks the persians have no history for the last 1000 years.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I am not certain about CIA's involvement.

The news of a meeting is only being spread by Tajik separatist accounts which usually have no insider information. They claim all sort of things.

That being said, a conflict with Iran will present an opportunity for CIA/Mossad/Azerbaijan/Turkiye. I think official recognition will be required by the Taliban for working with the Americans/Turks.

Iranians generally scream Zionism and CIA at everything, meanwhile they are the biggest murderers of Muslims in the region siding with a degenerate state like Russia. Today they are quite happy watching their suicide drones being used to attack civilians in Ukraine as the Russians attempt a complete annexation of another nation.

They are also guilty of spreading terrorism across the entire region and have been doing it really since the french dropped off the ayatollah.

 

[Rooxbar]

For thousands of years, Iran owned Afghanistan, which in ancient times was called Bactria

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The last time Iran owned Afghanistan was under the Safavid dynasty, the enemy of the Ottoman Empire and the Uzbeks

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Claiming "Iran" owned Afghanistan because Safavids and other dynasties controlled both geographies is like saying Spain owned Germany during Hapsburgs, or that China owned Mongolia and Manchuria during the Yuan dynasty. It's a very common misconception, very prevalent in Wikipedia articles, where "geography" is conflated with "state".

 

[Baryshx]

I am not certain about CIA's involvement.

The news of a meeting is only being spread by Tajik separatist accounts which usually have no insider information. They claim all sort of things.

That being said, a conflict with Iran will present an opportunity for CIA/Mossad/Azerbaijan/Turkiye. I think official recognition will be required by the Taliban for working with the Americans/Turks.

You support Iran overthrowing and destroying the Taliban, don't you? Wouldn't you like to see a secular, democratic, rule of law Afghanistan that respects human rights? For that, the Taliban must first be overthrown or destroyed. Of course, other religious extremist groups and organizations also need to be destroyed. There has to be an opposition force in Afghanistan to do such a thing.

It's actually quite funny when you think about it, a dream, a utopia that will never happen in a country that has become a hellhole...

 

[Deliorman]

There will never will be a "secular, democratic, rule of law Afghanistan that respects human rights"... because the people there don't understand these concepts and don't want these concepts. Afghanistan is still basically a tribal society which is still centuries back in their development.
The country is full of absolute poverty, most people are illiterate with a very small percentage that is actually educated well. To build a stable country you need an educated elite that is willing to build up the country and to move the nation forward- in Afghanistan you can't find them.

Talibans are the best the country has to offer because at least they are better organized and have some discipline in their ranks.

 

[Ryder]

You support Iran overthrowing and destroying the Taliban, don't you? Wouldn't you like to see a secular, democratic, rule of law Afghanistan that respects human rights? For that, the Taliban must first be overthrown or destroyed. Of course, other religious extremist groups and organizations also need to be destroyed. There has to be an opposition force in Afghanistan to do such a thing.

It's actually quite funny when you think about it, a dream, a utopia that will never happen in a country that has become a hellhole...

Bro you ask too much its liek asking why is the Congo not a secular country with human rights.

Honestly Western political systems can never be implemented at such places.

This high horse bs has all colonialism tropes and sjw crap. We dont need to go and save people from themselves.

Afghanistan has always been a tribal and a diverse country that. Let them figure their own shit out.

Taliban need start restricting and stop people leaving the country.

If Taliban personally asks for Turkiye to build its border walls to stop people from leaving we should actually accept it.

This could help alleviate the refugee problems of Turkiye.

Not just Syrians you have Afghans and Pakistanis along with Africans all trying to get into Europe.

Turkiye is just a bridge.

 

[Tabmachine]

You support Iran overthrowing and destroying the Taliban, don't you? Wouldn't you like to see a secular, democratic, rule of law Afghanistan that respects human rights? For that, the Taliban must first be overthrown or destroyed. Of course, other religious extremist groups and organizations also need to be destroyed. There has to be an opposition force in Afghanistan to do such a thing.

It's actually quite funny when you think about it, a dream, a utopia that will never happen in a country that has become a hellhole...

I recall reading that King Amanullah Khan of Afghanistan, who was a friend of Ataturks, had once shared with him his desire to implement secular forms emulating what Ataturk implemented in Turkey. Ataturk had advised him not to implement the reforms, as his society was not yet ready. He ended up attempting trying to implement a balanced approach. Afghanistan is a country that has been all over the map in terms of the directions of its government, at some points in pursuit of Ataturkist style modernization, at other points communist, at other points Taliban-ruled.