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[Ryder]

Many liberal minded Turks refusing see what kind of extremist lunatics Jews are they get blinded by their hatred for Erdogan.How they are seeing every single one muslim majority nation as their enemy.These lunatics have nuclear weapons in their hands and capacity to get away after its usage.Sooner we start developing nuclear weapons safer our nation will be.

Also Greater Israel also has territorial claims against Turkiye they believe certain parts of Turkiye is promised to them by God.

Turkiye needs nuclear weapons asap.

 

[Kartal1]

BREAKING :

Six fighters have been killed following an airstrike that targeted a vehicle carrying members of the IRGC militias in the countryside of Al-Bukamal, eastern Syria.

Some of the names reported include:

- Gaith Nawaf Al-Ali
- Khalaf Aliwi Al-Shawa
- Mohammad Ahmad Al-Salil
- Fawaz Souri Al-Saadoun
- Ramadan Habash Al-Farhan

Most of the elements are locals who had been previously recruited.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822618839030415672

 

[mehmed beg]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822690201639989580

Sodom? This is Sodom .
These people are beyond demons.
Truly it would take hobby solicitor, to make case for pogrom.
95% supports this.

 

[Scott Summers]

They are not jews. Real jews and Torah-believers dont support killing or raping. Real jews always lived in peace with muslims.

Those thugs are extremist satanic zionists, like the founders of Israel. They grab land, demolish villages and houses, kill the inhabitants and blame 'God' for it.

Real jews always opposed Israel and supported Palestine, but because the international media is in hands of zionists (Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson etc), they never get a platform.

 

[Corvus]

Some voices emerging from Israel put the Taliban and Al-Qaeda on the moderate side of the spectrum.

Their government includes a literal terrorist (see: Ben Gvir) and a messianic zealot (see: Smotrich) who both hold ministerial positions. Their leader is a war criminal who frequently references Amalek in his speeches (see: Benjamin Netanyahu).

These individuals are so extreme that they openly suggest starving 2 million Gazans to death is a good idea and even justify the rape of Palestinians. Just imagine the vile thoughts they harbor and the discussions they have among themselves.

No terrorist group in history has ever openly advocated for the starvation of 2 million people or tried to legitimize the rape of prisoners.

It’s astonishing how blatantly evil they can be.

What’s even more shocking is that there are still those in the Turkish public who support this ethno-religious supremacist radical group that openly declares, “We are evil.” These people don’t just dehumanize Arabs; they don’t see us Turks as human either. How can you be so naive?

 

[Ravager]

Some voices emerging from Israel put the Taliban and Al-Qaeda on the moderate side of the spectrum.

Their government includes a literal terrorist (see: Ben Gvir) and a messianic zealot (see: Smotrich) who both hold ministerial positions. Their leader is a war criminal who frequently references Amalek in his speeches (see: Benjamin Netanyahu).

These individuals are so extreme that they openly suggest starving 2 million Gazans to death is a good idea and even justify the rape of Palestinians. Just imagine the vile thoughts they harbor and the discussions they have among themselves.

No terrorist group in history has ever openly advocated for the starvation of 2 million people or tried to legitimize the rape of prisoners.

It’s astonishing how blatantly evil they can be.

What’s even more shocking is that there are still those in the Turkish public who support this ethno-religious supremacist radical group that openly declares, “We are evil.” These people don’t just dehumanize Arabs; they don’t see us Turks as human either. How can you be so naive?

There would never be a limit on human's stupidity when then are convinced that they were in the right .
The nemesis of truth is conviction on wrong zealotry

 

[Kartal1]

First Ismail Haniye, one of the sane people within Hamas is gone and now Javad Zarif, one of the sane people with power in Iran is gone.

This resignation is not a good sign. Chances for peace are perishing with every passing minute with mad men steering the wheel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822623493944476113

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822775116788367374

 

[Ravager]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822775116788367374

Atrition has taken it's toll apparently...
I don't know ...either they are all blustering all along or they were simply keeping it for the essentials only

 

[Relic]

Atrition has taken it's toll apparently...
I don't know ...either they are all blustering all along or they were simply keeping it for the essentials only

I think that Israel and it's regional / international allies have to prepare for large barrages of incoming missiles and rockets, especially those directed towards its major cities, ports, infrastructure and military facilities. I think you'll see them be cautious about they choose to intercept over the coming days, knowing that it could be the precursor to a large scale attack.

U.S. destroyers in the region can help David's Sling out with ballistic missiles, but it will be Iron Dome, in combination with Israeli, American and British jets that are responsible for intercepting of the rockets, drones and cruise missiles.

Per CNN, it appears that many of the 30 rockets fired by Hezbollah landed in open areas. No injuries were reported.

Hezbollah fires rockets into Israel as threat of Iran attack looms | CNN

Hezbollah fired a barrage of rockets toward northern Israel on Sunday night, as Israeli forces remain on high alert for potential retaliation from Iran and its proxies following the assassination of a top Hamas leader last month.

www.google.com

 

[Relic]

I genuinely hope that a peace deal can be negotiated during talks this week. I'm genuinely concerned about the people of Lebanon. I've got some fantastic Lebanese friends with many family members still living back in Lebanon... I fear that Hezbollah's inevitable retaliation against Israel (fully justified) will be the ammunition the Israeli government needs to start a major bombing campaign in Lebanon. The Lebanese people don't need that all all...

Let's hope cooler heads prevail and and a deal can be struck.

 

[Ryder]

Some voices emerging from Israel put the Taliban and Al-Qaeda on the moderate side of the spectrum.

Their government includes a literal terrorist (see: Ben Gvir) and a messianic zealot (see: Smotrich) who both hold ministerial positions. Their leader is a war criminal who frequently references Amalek in his speeches (see: Benjamin Netanyahu).

These individuals are so extreme that they openly suggest starving 2 million Gazans to death is a good idea and even justify the rape of Palestinians. Just imagine the vile thoughts they harbor and the discussions they have among themselves.

No terrorist group in history has ever openly advocated for the starvation of 2 million people or tried to legitimize the rape of prisoners.

It’s astonishing how blatantly evil they can be.

What’s even more shocking is that there are still those in the Turkish public who support this ethno-religious supremacist radical group that openly declares, “We are evil.” These people don’t just dehumanize Arabs; they don’t see us Turks as human either. How can you be so naive?

Bro the whole society is fcking sick.

I never seen any other societies this bad.

Every culture, every religion always has a moral code.

Crazy how zionists even make Terrorist groups look like school children. Even these groups have their boundaries.

Brother unfortunately a lot of Turks see the Palestine vs Israel conflict in a black and white matter. I came across numerous Turks who support Israel just because they hate Arabs and Muslims. They even were perfectly fine with Israel gunning down Turkish citizens in international waters in the Mavi Marmara because they were "Islamists".

Its perfectly fine for Muslim Turks to support Muslim Palestinians just like how its pretty normal for Orthodox Christians and Catholic Christians to all support their religious groups regardless of which race and ethnicity they are.

In Turkiye comes down religion and race not the complex geopolitics and the humanity. One side supports Palestine duento religious and cultural reasons the other side basically sees it through a race spectrum.

I mean we still use the Arab revolt argument which 100 years have passed. We tend to ignore that the Jews even revolted against the Ottomans in ww1 and even sent soldiers to help the Allies. Look up Zion Mule corps but its all cricket sounds.

Lets ignore this but Israel even lobbied for Turkiye to have its F35s taken away just so it keep its quality edge in the region.

Turkiye and Israel have been close due to the cold war but relations have really changed during the 2000s as Turkiye started to become more involved in the Middle Eastern region which Israel does not want.

 

[Bogeyman]

First Ismail Haniye, one of the sane people within Hamas is gone and now Javad Zarif, one of the sane people with power in Iran is gone.

This resignation is not a good sign. Chances for peace are perishing with every passing minute with mad men steering the wheel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822623493944476113

It is meaningless to talk about diplomacy when Israel wants war so badly and the US supports Israel unconditionally. Because for diplomacy, both sides must leave doors open. If you tighten your fists, you cannot complain about such simple changes of the other party.

 

[Kartal1]

It is meaningless to talk about diplomacy when Israel wants war so badly and the US supports Israel unconditionally. Because for diplomacy, both sides must leave doors open. If you tighten your fists, you cannot complain about such simple changes of the other party.

Javad Zarif is not a simple change.

Javad Zarif is there as a representative of a brighter future for Iran. The whole block he represents there aimed at ending the hostilities and concentrating at Iranian people's problems that are in result of the IRGC policies. The whole reformist block is mad at the current situation.

The neutralization of the reformist block in Iran carries a great danger for the whole region including Turkiye. The recent escalations in Iraq and Syria and the prevention by IRGC for a political initiative between Turkiye and the Assad Regime are just some of the evidences for this.

If this whole situation brings something positive to the region I would support a confrontation, but what it will bring is blood, tears, hunger and another 30 years of even worst occupation and whoever wins this will establish the base for his reign over the region. And where is Turkiye in all this? In the middle between the hammer and the anvil without a mean to react to this in any meaningful way. And where are the Gazans? In Jordan or Egypt (the ones that are left alive).

What Zarif says? We should help the Palestinians, but not fight for them. The whole point of the Iranian proxy project is to keep the fight away from its borders and this whole system will crumble by inviting an international response and even further aggravating two of the most powerful countries in the Middle East under the directives of two old men keen to keep their terror regimes alive.

I am sorry, but I can not accept anything that will endanger even the limited successes of Turkiye's foreign policy regarding the Middle East and Caucasus, endanger the security of Azerbaijan, spit at my martyrs graves that gave their lives for 10 years in Iraq and Syria, only to be forced to retreat under an Iranian drone and rocket barrage, because two old men want to compare who's stick is bigger.

I don't even want to mention the nuclear potential which one of the participants for sure haves and the other is speculated to have. Taking in account that Israel will not cease to exist and if its existance is endangered then the existence of the whole region is endangered, we must develop another strategy in order to ensure the two State solution. We can start with a legit resistance putting Palestine first instead of Iranian proxies as a start. While Haniye was still alive, there was still a hope for a positive change, but with Sinwar this hope is gone.

We all are guilty for this and may God cleans our sin.

 

[TheInsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822775116788367374

Iron Dome doesn't intercept rockets that fall in areas designated as safe zones by the operator/commander. As the number of interceptor missiles dwindles you will only see the interception of rockets that directly target military bases, important government buildings and infrastructure.

 

[mehmed beg]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822715461827428519

There are no sane heads among those people. It has been like that with them forever.
I personally do not trust those " sane" either. Those on the various campuses, are just one mean to prolong this destructive cult.

 

[Bogeyman]

Javad Zarif is not a simple change.

Javad Zarif is there as a representative of a brighter future for Iran. The whole block he represents there aimed at ending the hostilities and concentrating at Iranian people's problems that are in result of the IRGC policies. The whole reformist block is mad at the current situation.

The neutralization of the reformist block in Iran carries a great danger for the whole region including Turkiye. The recent escalations in Iraq and Syria and the prevention by IRGC for a political initiative between Turkiye and the Assad Regime are just some of the evidences for this.

If this whole situation brings something positive to the region I would support a confrontation, but what it will bring is blood, tears, hunger and another 30 years of even worst occupation and whoever wins this will establish the base for his reign over the region. And where is Turkiye in all this? In the middle between the hammer and the anvil without a mean to react to this in any meaningful way. And where are the Gazans? In Jordan or Egypt (the ones that are left alive).

What Zarif says? We should help the Palestinians, but not fight for them. The whole point of the Iranian proxy project is to keep the fight away from its borders and this whole system will crumble by inviting an international response and even further aggravating two of the most powerful countries in the Middle East under the directives of two old men keen to keep their terror regimes alive.

I am sorry, but I can not accept anything that will endanger even the limited successes of Turkiye's foreign policy regarding the Middle East and Caucasus, endanger the security of Azerbaijan, spit at my martyrs graves that gave their lives for 10 years in Iraq and Syria, only to be forced to retreat under an Iranian drone and rocket barrage, because two old men want to compare who's stick is bigger.

I don't even want to mention the nuclear potential which one of the participants for sure haves and the other is speculated to have. Taking in account that Israel will not cease to exist and if its existance is endangered then the existence of the whole region is endangered, we must develop another strategy in order to ensure the two State solution. We can start with a legit resistance putting Palestine first instead of Iranian proxies as a start. While Haniye was still alive, there was still a hope for a positive change, but with Sinwar this hope is gone.

We all are guilty for this and may God cleans our sin.

First, I will rewrite something you missed. The Palestinian issue is not just about Palestinians. Al-Aqsa Mosque is the first Qiblah of Islam. And any direct attempt to threaten its status or existence will result in war. It would not be possible for Turkey to stay away from this war in such a situation.

In order to understand the position/importance of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Iran, it is necessary to talk about it excluding the pacification of reformists. Because in the eyes of the Revolutionary Guard, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is treated as an institution that has no say in the field. Even the planes allocated to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have been made available to the Revolutionary Guard.

Again, the Revolutionary Guard has the final say in the appointment of bureaucrats in conflicts or in places that Iran has chosen as target regions. Therefore, if it were me, I would not have high hopes for the influence of the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the field.

 

[mehmed beg]

Javad Zarif is not a simple change.

Javad Zarif is there as a representative of a brighter future for Iran. The whole block he represents there aimed at ending the hostilities and concentrating at Iranian people's problems that are in result of the IRGC policies. The whole reformist block is mad at the current situation.

The neutralization of the reformist block in Iran carries a great danger for the whole region including Turkiye. The recent escalations in Iraq and Syria and the prevention by IRGC for a political initiative between Turkiye and the Assad Regime are just some of the evidences for this.

If this whole situation brings something positive to the region I would support a confrontation, but what it will bring is blood, tears, hunger and another 30 years of even worst occupation and whoever wins this will establish the base for his reign over the region. And where is Turkiye in all this? In the middle between the hammer and the anvil without a mean to react to this in any meaningful way. And where are the Gazans? In Jordan or Egypt (the ones that are left alive).

What Zarif says? We should help the Palestinians, but not fight for them. The whole point of the Iranian proxy project is to keep the fight away from its borders and this whole system will crumble by inviting an international response and even further aggravating two of the most powerful countries in the Middle East under the directives of two old men keen to keep their terror regimes alive.

I am sorry, but I can not accept anything that will endanger even the limited successes of Turkiye's foreign policy regarding the Middle East and Caucasus, endanger the security of Azerbaijan, spit at my martyrs graves that gave their lives for 10 years in Iraq and Syria, only to be forced to retreat under an Iranian drone and rocket barrage, because two old men want to compare who's stick is bigger.

I don't even want to mention the nuclear potential which one of the participants for sure haves and the other is speculated to have. Taking in account that Israel will not cease to exist and if its existance is endangered then the existence of the whole region is endangered, we must develop another strategy in order to ensure the two State solution. We can start with a legit resistance putting Palestine first instead of Iranian proxies as a start. While Haniye was still alive, there was still a hope for a positive change, but with Sinwar this hope is gone.

We all are guilty for this and may God cleans our sin.

Iran is almost mirror of Israeli society.
Take a look at the majority of their opposition.
Those are completely insane people. They have the traits of Evangelical Christians or extreme Woke. Just like the opposing fractions in The West.
Interestingly, Iranians were much more religious under the Shah.
One thing I forgot to mention, even when someone sees how Iranian so called nationalist talk about Iranian ancient history, then you can see that it is full of fantasy directed towards recanchism towards Islam. Also in Shia lore is the same.
The normal fraction in so called Islamsts movement of Iran, were dealt with, even as early as 30s, with killing of Khasravi.
It carried on with killing of Sheriati
Some people at the beginning of the Revolution were normal people, they got rid of them too.
Simply , you need to go through psychology, traditions , writings , history and psychy of those people to understand then
Whether Israelis or Iranians etc , it is all just Cult.
I wrote few things about this phenomenon recently but those posts were deleted.
This matter is only going to get worse, much worse.

 

[Kartal1]

First, I will rewrite something you missed. The Palestinian issue is not just about Palestinians. Al-Aqsa Mosque is the first Qiblah of Islam. And any direct attempt to threaten its status or existence will result in war. It would not be possible for Turkey to stay away from this war in such a situation.

In order to understand the position/importance of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Iran, it is necessary to talk about it excluding the pacification of reformists. Because in the eyes of the Revolutionary Guard, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is treated as an institution that has no say in the field. Even the planes allocated to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have been made available to the Revolutionary Guard.

Again, the Revolutionary Guard has the final say in the appointment of bureaucrats in conflicts or in places that Iran has chosen as target regions. Therefore, if it were me, I would not have high hopes for the influence of the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the field.

I fully agree with you on your comment regarding the undisputed power of IRGC in all affairs concerning Iran. What we saw with the "supposed to be" reformist government is that the people want a change. Even little when a reformist takes such an important position like the one that Zarif took, he has the power of influencing some of the affairs and exploit the hot topics in favor of the reformist supporter part of Iran because these statesmen report to the Iranian Nation and we saw that the nation is not happy trough all the protests and tension we got in the last couple of years. Zarif with his resignation showed a white flag and the reputation of the reformist block is damaged. We are yet to see how all these events will influence the internal political situation in Iran and its dynamics, because I am sure that the people will start ask questions very soon after the cabinet starts working in a normal tempo.

When it comes to the situation around the Al-Aqsa mosque I also have sensitivity towards this topic as a Muslim. I think the boundaries within which Turkiye is working on a solution are the most balanced ones. We are talking about resolutions 242, 338, 1397 and 1515, Jerusalem Corpus Separatum per resolution 181 (1947).

Why is this conflict in this specific time a problem? Because nobody is ready for the consequences of the change of the status quo. As we can see after the 7th October, Israel is determined to finish this job and is war mongering, trusting in the support they get internationally (mainly the US). I think it was more logical to make everything possible to postpone the escalation until Turkiye is economically and militarily ready for the changes. All of the developments in the region were moving in a tempo that Turkiye managed to catch up to and the intensity of the conflicts were low which means more time to react and adapt our posture. Sudden escalation will catch us unprepared, with our pants down. While we don't have the ultimate power to control events we still have and can have serious influence concerning all the developments in the region. Turkiye is in a process of healing economically and in parallel with this, Turkiye is also increasing its military and intelligence capacity, also adding more capabilities in terms of technical means and quality of work in result of updated education, training and tactical concepts.

We know that the region is in a crash course, but it would've been a good thing to be able to control the timing of all this so we have the capacity and capability to protect our current advances, fill all the power vacuums that will form, which will establish the base for a positive Turkish influence, balanced actions, deterrence and posturing which will be based on the interests of the nations of this region, creating and promoting stability, trade and prosperity. I know Turkiye has the potential to play this leadership role, but first we must build deterrence. I am afraid that we will not only be unable to protect our current advancement, but we may also lose more while Iran or the US (whoever goes on top) becomes a dominant power which is not good in both of the cases as we currently see.

I am very sorry for all these kids and innocent people that wait for us while we can't be there for them as much and as strong as I've wanted to, not only in Palestine, but all around in our backyards. I not only feel guilt as a Turk and a Muslim for that we allowed this to happen (all of it), but also feel shame as a human being that the whole humanity just stays and watches. Are we dumb, disabled or dysfunctional? I don't think so. I think the reason lies in accepting mediocrity as long as our community is concerned and the fact that human massacres are normalized in a global sense. We need more holism.

 

[Afif]

I fully agree with you on your comment regarding the undisputed power of IRGC in all affairs concerning Iran. What we saw with the "supposed to be" reformist government is that the people want a change. Even little when a reformist takes such an important position like the one that Zarif took, he has the power of influencing some of the affairs and exploit the hot topics in favor of the reformist supporter part of Iran because these statesmen report to the Iranian Nation and we saw that the nation is not happy trough all the protests and tension we got in the last couple of years. Zarif with his resignation showed a white flag and the reputation of the reformist block is damaged. We are yet to see how all these events will influence the internal political situation in Iran and its dynamics, because I am sure that the people will start ask questions very soon after the cabinet starts working in a normal tempo.

When it comes to the situation around the Al-Aqsa mosque I also have sensitivity towards this topic as a Muslim. I think the boundaries within which Turkiye is working on a solution are the most balanced ones. We are talking about resolutions 242, 338, 1397 and 1515, Jerusalem Corpus Separatum per resolution 181 (1947).

Why is this conflict in this specific time a problem? Because nobody is ready for the consequences of the change of the status quo. As we can see after the 7th October, Israel is determined to finish this job and is war mongering, trusting in the support they get internationally (mainly the US). I think it was more logical to make everything possible to postpone the escalation until Turkiye is economically and militarily ready for the changes. All of the developments in the region were moving in a tempo that Turkiye managed to catch up to and the intensity of the conflicts were low which means more time to react and adapt our posture. Sudden escalation will catch us unprepared, with our pants down. While we don't have the ultimate power to control events we still have and can have serious influence concerning all the developments in the region. Turkiye is in a process of healing economically and in parallel with this, Turkiye is also increasing its military and intelligence capacity, also adding more capabilities in terms of technical means and quality of work in result of updated education, training and tactical concepts.

We know that the region is in a crash course, but it would've been a good thing to be able to control the timing of all this so we have the capacity and capability to protect our current advances, fill all the power vacuums that will form, which will establish the base for a positive Turkish influence, balanced actions, deterrence and posturing which will be based on the interests of the nations of this region, creating and promoting stability, trade and prosperity. I know Turkiye has the potential to play this leadership role, but first we must build deterrence. I am afraid that we will not only be unable to protect our current advancement, but we may also lose more while Iran or the US (whoever goes on top) becomes a dominant power which is not good in both of the cases as we currently see.

I am very sorry for all these kids and innocent people that wait for us while we can't be there for them as much and as strong as I've wanted to, not only in Palestine, but all around in our backyards. I not only feel guilt as a Turk and a Muslim for that we allowed this to happen (all of it), but also feel shame as a human being that the whole humanity just stays and watches. Are we dumb, disabled or dysfunctional? I don't think so. I think the reason lies in accepting mediocrity as long as our community is concerned and the fact that human massacres are normalized in a global sense. We need more holism.

Very well said. Besides, Türkiye can only do so much. So far, despite some incoherence in foreign policy of Erdogan's administration, Türkiye did most of it could for Palestine.

As human, Muslim and neighbor if the matter of Al Aqsa and the change of statue quo concern everyone, then it should be a collective responsibility. You can only help fight the fire in neighbor's home as long as your own is safe. It is not realistic for Türkiye to fight the enemy and the people who are supposed to be 'brothers' at the same time. Unless, Arab countries and Iran stop being what they are now, this region will continue to be like this. Türkiye as a potential regional leader can only mitigate the problem and influence the actors to a certain extent, not fundamentally solve it for the others. They have to do it for themselves first.