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I wonder why Iran didn't target Israels gasfields after getting bombed themselves. or the nuclear power plant in Israel. in a Tit for Tat move.

Israel says Haifa oil refinery hit in Iranian missile attack​


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026...hit-in-iranian-missile-attack-no-major-damage

Isreal control the media and not allow reporter to post the damage.
I still remember last year 12day war, Haifa oil refinery stopped production due to Iran missiles strike, and they usr US air refueling tanker to transfer oil.
 
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the iranian regime is pretty dumb. Their getting ass pounded and their leaders are being exterminated like its nothing. That's why what's going on seems quite impressive to me. A dumb regime, no air force, no real navy, no air defence, no real strategy, yet they are able to keep sending rockets out to isreal. If such a backward nation can cause this sort of trouble to the USA, then moving forward its not going to look good for the american image of being a global power.


When we pay attention to the past few decades, the iranians have been reckless and helped bring the region to this failed point. Their geopolitical moves ultimately has only harmed the Muslim middle east.

Had Turks converted to Christianity instead of Islam, probably Islam would be a dead religion by now.
These misconceptions that Iran is a "harmless problem" that can be solved at any moment by decapitating its leadership, military superiority, or sanctions — that's nothing but intoxicated arrogance with a sense of superiority.
Now, in practice, a new dynamic has emerged that's difficult to control. The real world doesn't play by the rulebooks, and Iran used the space to maneuver and shifted the war into the political arena. Now the US has new problems to deal with — it looks like they were the ones without a strategy.

Why would Iran need a real navy? That's pointless. They're not trying to win a war. They're making Western dominance in the region as difficult and expensive as possible.
 

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A US F-35 fighter jet made an emergency landing at US air base in the Middle East after it was struck by what is believed to be Iranian fire, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Capt. Tim Hawkins, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the fifth-generation stealth jet was “flying a combat mission over Iran” when it was forced to make an emergency landing. Hawkins said the aircraft landed safely, and the incident is under investigation.

“The aircraft landed safely, and the pilot is in stable condition,” Hawkins added. “This incident is under investigation.”

The incident would be the first time Iran has hit a US aircraft in the war started in late February. Both the US and Israel are flying F-35s in the conflict; the aircraft costs upwards of $100 million.

The emergency landing comes as senior US officials continue to claim widespread success in its campaign against Iran. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Thursday morning that the US is “winning decisively” and that Iran’s air defenses have been “flattened.”

There's nothing to celebrate about this. So what if they damaged one F-35 on the 20th day of the war? Is there any point in celebrating when these aircraft have already destroyed a significant portion of Iran's defenses with virtual impunity?
Leaving aside the superior technical characteristics of 5th-generation aircraft, I want to ask another question: Okay, so these 10-ton stealth aircraft are completely out of range of Iranian radars and anti-aircraft missiles in the air, but they don't stay in the air forever. They spend more time on the ground. We need to intercept them on the ground. They may be invisible in the air, but on the ground, they are visible!
I understand, of course, that this proposal is not an American "rediscover," because in 2018, America fired about 40 Tomahawk missiles at just one airfield, Shayrat, in Syria, completely disabling it.

Bombing an airfield and all its infrastructure must be easier than detecting an invisible aircraft maneuvering in vast airspace. An airport is a visible object, and, by the way, it doesn't maneuver at all.
Well, of course, the Iranians probably tried. But it seems they're failing.
Why?
I think that it would be easier to solve the problem of 5th generation aircraft on the ground, not in the sky.

There's another reason to do it on the ground: in the air, you can shoot down a single fighter, but on the ground, you can shoot down all the aircraft currently on the airfield, along with all the infrastructure.
 

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There's nothing to celebrate about this. So what if they damaged one F-35 on the 20th day of the war? Is there any point in celebrating when these aircraft have already destroyed a significant portion of Iran's defenses with virtual impunity?
Leaving aside the superior technical characteristics of 5th-generation aircraft, I want to ask another question: Okay, so these 10-ton stealth aircraft are completely out of range of Iranian radars and anti-aircraft missiles in the air, but they don't stay in the air forever. They spend more time on the ground. We need to intercept them on the ground. They may be invisible in the air, but on the ground, they are visible!
I understand, of course, that this proposal is not an American "rediscover," because in 2018, America fired about 40 Tomahawk missiles at just one airfield, Shayrat, in Syria, completely disabling it.

Bombing an airfield and all its infrastructure must be easier than detecting an invisible aircraft maneuvering in vast airspace. An airport is a visible object, and, by the way, it doesn't maneuver at all.
Well, of course, the Iranians probably tried. But it seems they're failing.
Why?
I think that it would be easier to solve the problem of 5th generation aircraft on the ground, not in the sky.

There's another reason to do it on the ground: in the air, you can shoot down a single fighter, but on the ground, you can shoot down all the aircraft currently on the airfield, along with all the infrastructure.
You are right, but the real problem is not at the war.
Iran does not initiate attacks and only defends and counterattacks, which makes them more passive when selecting attack targets. Otherwise, they could directly attack European countries that have opened their airspace to the US military.
However, Israel and the United States are not subject to any moral or legal constraints in selecting targets and means of attack.
 

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There's nothing to celebrate about this. So what if they damaged one F-35 on the 20th day of the war? Is there any point in celebrating when these aircraft have already destroyed a significant portion of Iran's defenses with virtual impunity?
Leaving aside the superior technical characteristics of 5th-generation aircraft, I want to ask another question: Okay, so these 10-ton stealth aircraft are completely out of range of Iranian radars and anti-aircraft missiles in the air, but they don't stay in the air forever. They spend more time on the ground. We need to intercept them on the ground. They may be invisible in the air, but on the ground, they are visible!
I understand, of course, that this proposal is not an American "rediscover," because in 2018, America fired about 40 Tomahawk missiles at just one airfield, Shayrat, in Syria, completely disabling it.

Bombing an airfield and all its infrastructure must be easier than detecting an invisible aircraft maneuvering in vast airspace. An airport is a visible object, and, by the way, it doesn't maneuver at all.
Well, of course, the Iranians probably tried. But it seems they're failing.
Why?
I think that it would be easier to solve the problem of 5th generation aircraft on the ground, not in the sky.

There's another reason to do it on the ground: in the air, you can shoot down a single fighter, but on the ground, you can shoot down all the aircraft currently on the airfield, along with all the infrastructure.
Good point @Iskander !
But you have also to remember that those airfields on the ground have 10 times more layered and complex air defences than any city. To overcome those defences is not a simple task. To Shayrat, the US fired 59 Tomahawk missiles. According to Russian sources 23 hit their targets.
Including UK and French missiles, there were 103 missiles’s fired at Shayrat. Some never made it to shore. But in total 71 missiles were intercepted by Syrian air defences. Even a country like Syria could defend their airbase to a certain degree. US an Israeli air bases would be much better protected.

Among The Airbases you want to destroy lie the aircraft carriers. They are the floating air bases and are even harder to hit. As well as its own AD systems, it has 3 to 4 Arleigh Burke Class destroyers and Virginia Class nuclear subs to defend it. Short of a nuclear strike, it is a bloody hard job to destroy a carrier group.

 
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Iran launched a cluster munition missile attack on the Israeli oil refinery in Haifa. The missile strike caused power outages in several areas of Haifa and the suburb of Kiryat Haim. The attack involved various types of missiles, possibly including heavy Khorramshahr-4 missiles.

 

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Israel says Haifa oil refinery hit in Iranian missile attack​


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026...hit-in-iranian-missile-attack-no-major-damage

Isreal control the media and not allow reporter to post the damage.
I still remember last year 12day war, Haifa oil refinery stopped production due to Iran missiles strike, and they usr US air refueling tanker to transfer oil.
You are projecting. Just because in your country everything is censored does not mean other countries are same.

All Israeli news channels reported it. Here even the official Israeli state TV channel posts videos about refinery hit:


Cluster missiles virtually impossible to intercept but their damage is minimal too.
 

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You are projecting. Just because in your country everything is censored does not mean other countries are same.

All Israeli news channels reported it. Here even the official Israeli state TV channel posts videos about refinery hit:


Cluster missiles virtually impossible to intercept but their damage is minimal too.
Not only Cluster missiles, right?
 

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I wonder why Iran didn't target Israels gasfields after getting bombed themselves. or the nuclear power plant in Israel. in a Tit for Tat move.

This is what I would do first. The more Persians escalates, the higher the chance of a victory. Bombing nuclear plants, Startups villages, IT companies, even the Wailing Wall. Which needs a very precision strike capability.
 

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There's nothing to celebrate about this. So what if they damaged one F-35 on the 20th day of the war? Is there any point in celebrating when these aircraft have already destroyed a significant portion of Iran's defenses with virtual impunity?
The whole point can be a different. Maybe, now they know how to handle the F-35.
 

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The whole point can be a different. Maybe, now they know how to handle the F-35.


LoL

They? The whole world now know what the weak point is, i hope our IRST is good what we can pick them up from at least 50km away.
 

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Is this a seco one ore still the first one?
The 3 models of the F35(A/B/C) have been recorded as crashing due to accidents, but there is no record of them being shot down before that, I think.:unsure:
And there is a good new for Isreal, F35I is the last model which have not crashed(Or not recorded).
 

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Good point @Iskander !
But you have also to remember that those airfields on the ground have 10 times more layered and complex air defences than any city. To overcome those defences is not a simple task. To Shayrat, the US fired 59 Tomahawk missiles. According to Russian sources 23 hit their targets.
Including UK and French missiles, there were 103 missiles’s fired at Shayrat. Some never made it to shore. But in total 71 missiles were intercepted by Syrian air defences. Even a country like Syria could defend their airbase to a certain degree. US an Israeli air bases would be much better protected.

Among The Airbases you want to destroy lie the aircraft carriers. They are the floating air bases and are even harder to hit. As well as its own AD systems, it has 3 to 4 Arleigh Burke Class destroyers and Virginia Class nuclear subs to defend it. Short of a nuclear strike, it is a bloody hard job to destroy a carrier group.

They would be much better protected with what? Patriots, THAAD? Iron Dome components? David’ Sling, Arrow? I dont think the protection of air fields is much better than the Israeli cities. Maybe some additional layer of point defence but that wouldnt be effective against ballistic missiles anyhow. In any case, if they have 5 layers of defense we should have 6 layers of attack capabilities. Beginning with Super Simsek, Kargi, K2, Anka-3 with ER-300 and SOM, Tayfun-4, Gezgin etc. All with sufficient numbers. Then even the best protected carrier can be saturated (including all 11 carriers that belong to Israel).
 

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They would be much better protected with what? Patriots, THAAD? Iron Dome components? David’ Sling, Arrow? I dont think the protection of air fields is much better than the Israeli cities. Maybe some additional layer of point defence but that wouldnt be effective against ballistic missiles anyhow. In any case, if they have 5 layers of defense we should have 6 layers of attack capabilities. Beginning with Super Simsek, Kargi, K2, Anka-3 with ER-300 and SOM, Tayfun-4, Gezgin etc. All with sufficient numbers. Then even the best protected carrier can be saturated (including all 11 carriers that belong to Israel).
It is not just with what, it is how concentrated and in abundance the defence systems would be too. Even Korkut like guns and CIWS would be effective on cruise missiles. Also point defence missiles potentially can add to the layered defences.

A city like tel Aviv has a metropolitan area of over 1500square km. A typical airbase would be between 10km2 to 20km2. (Incirlik air base is 13km2) .
Hence much easier to protect than a city, especially when you have concentrated weapon systems in hand. It is easier to saturate a city wide defence system.

A missile with an engagement parameter like ESSM, can theoretically shoot down a Brahmos or ER300 or Rampage class supersonic missiles. Anything more advanced will need Patriot, Sm3 or Arrow.

I find your enthusiasm refreshing, and fully agree with the main theme in your last sentence in ().
But saturating CSG (Carrier Strike Group) armaments will take some doing. A target constantly in motion at 30knots is not targetable with the kinds of ballistic missiles Iran has. You need sophisticated HGVs (Hypervelocity Glide Vehicles) for that.
 
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