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Iran is totally getting played in the talks, Iran said for the negotiations to happen, Iran demands frozen assets before talks. Instead of getting frozen assets before the talks, Iran is in worse conditions, the US merely agrees to releasing the assets, as it agreed to the 10 points of Iranian demands. US is now trying to tie releasing the frozen assets with Iran not able to close the straits, the only path to Iranian victory.
 

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The US goal is to get Iran tied to agreements "Iran violated", ignoring the US in total violation of the cease fire, so that when hostilities restart, Iran is labeled the aggressor. US is in total defeat and Iran believes the lie that only Israel is behind this and trump is the victim of Israel, and for that believes trump in deal making.

Macron is conning Iran to defeat. Macron is on team trump. Though is playing the role of against the war to lure Iran to make bad decisions. Iran is conned to believe Macron is their defender. The no security council vote was because Europe is very antiwar, and Macron is outflanked by Le Pen, another trumper, though against the war or she has no chances to win. Macron mission is to be the handler to fool Iran to believe France is against its destruction. And to get the fence sitters to join a coalition against Iran to open the straits if Iran makes mistakes. Iran has not made mistakes until these negotiations.

Iran actually believes the US did not want the war. PressTV and Iran are shouting America First and Israel last. It fell for the psyop. America First is behind the war. This is similar to Jews leaving concentration camps shouting "seig heil. The Italians got the Germans to be Nazis, blame the Italians."

You can fix stupid.
 
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Why would Pakistan need American backing to take such an action?
The situation actually is not simple to explain.

There is greater push in American Establishment to focus on China & US wants India also to focus on China, instead India keeps fighting Pakistan
US is trying to pick up Pakistan from South Asia and engage it in ME so that India can focus on China. What if India still keeps fighting Pakistan?
What if Pakistan picks up fight with someone in middle east? Then it will get ugly, very ugly for Pakistan.
And Pakistani leadership track record is bad enough to worry.
 

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Iran is totally getting played in the talks, Iran said for the negotiations to happen, Iran demands frozen assets before talks. Instead of getting frozen assets before the talks, Iran is in worse conditions, the US merely agrees to releasing the assets, as it agreed to the 10 points of Iranian demands. US is now trying to tie releasing the frozen assets with Iran not able to close the straits, the only path to Iranian victory.

The Iranians are actually demanding full control of Strait of Hormuz. It is one of their conditions. It is also a point of contention between the US and Iran.

The Iranians want to obviously control the strait, but they also want to earn through toll money and use that to rebuild destroyed infrastructure.
 

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Iran is totally getting played in the talks, Iran said for the negotiations to happen, Iran demands frozen assets before talks. Instead of getting frozen assets before the talks, Iran is in worse conditions, the US merely agrees to releasing the assets, as it agreed to the 10 points of Iranian demands. US is now trying to tie releasing the frozen assets with Iran not able to close the straits, the only path to Iranian victory.
It is not possible to stop a country with a coastline with the strait from menacing ships using the strait if it has suitable weapons. The US cannot destroy all Iran's drones. Iran needs to choose not to menace the strait.

Before Israel and the US attacked Iran there was no problem. Now the problem has arisen because of the aggression, the US needs to think very hard how to fix the problem. I hope it can think of a fix.
 
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Iran held the upper hand during the war. So much so it had a ten point demand be way to peace. Those ten points were total Iranian victory.

trump agreed to it because Iran had the US in defeat and trump is violating many of the 10 point plan cease fire because trump only wanted a cease fire to declare victory while getting oil and gas out of the Gulf. trump never intended to abide by the 10 point plan, trump wanted to turn events to "Iran started the war", after the cease fire that trump is not abiding to.

It is to attempt to change the narrative. Iran has to be aware it is being fooled and played. My previous idea of breaking the cease fire closes the straits for three months is a path to punish Trump and defeat the mission to lower oil prices.

they got bombed for 6 weeks. Their weaker today then they were before day 1 of bombing.

Iran is trapped, they need the peace talks but also know the peace talks won't achieve anything but buy time for their enemies to redeploy their assets.

Only way out of this for iran is to find a way to bring regional nations like Turkiye, Pakistan into the fold. But that won't be easy because iranian dealings have always been two faced and dodgy. Only yesterday shia death squads were slaughtering muslims in iraq and syria while arming the pkk kurds against Turkiye. Not to mention siding with armenia against Muslim Turks.

Personally i think iran is done, their basically going to incrementally keep getting smashed. they got 12 days not long ago, now they got 6 weeks. Next time it might be 6 months. With each bombardment Iran further gets diminished.
 

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It is not possible to stop a country with a coastline with the strait from menacing ships using the strait if it has suitable weapons. The US cannot destroy all Iran's drones. Iran needs to choose not to menace the strait.

Before Israel and the US attacked Iran there was no problem. Now the problem has arisen because of the aggression, the US needs to think very hard how to fix the problem. I hope it can think of a fix.
Iran will need to recoup the costs of war firstly, if a consortium of the countries which participated in the aggression against Iran can re-constitute their damages (this would include the UK which provided basing), then that would be a start.
 

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they got bombed for 6 weeks. Their weaker today then they were before day 1 of bombing.

Iran is trapped, they need the peace talks but also know the peace talks won't achieve anything but buy time for their enemies to redeploy their assets.

Only way out of this for iran is to find a way to bring regional nations like Turkiye, Pakistan into the fold. But that won't be easy because iranian dealings have always been two faced and dodgy. Only yesterday shia death squads were slaughtering muslims in iraq and syria while arming the pkk kurds against Turkiye. Not to mention siding with armenia against Muslim Turks.

Personally i think iran is done, their basically going to incrementally keep getting smashed. they got 12 days not long ago, now they got 6 weeks. Next time it might be 6 months. With each bombardment Iran further gets diminished.
I do not forget that Iran had ballistic missiles and may still have a lot left. Those are dangerous and possibly a threat to European countries.

Ukraine and the Ukrainian people have resisted and survived long term attack on infrastructure. Will Iran and the Iranians prove to be different?
 

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There seems to be an obsession of Israel in trying to get Turkiye involved, their officials keep mentioning our name on social media.With all this in mind, I hope the war with Iran keeps going , the more Israel is crushed the better it is for us Turks.
Right now a peace will mean the Israelis will focus on Turkiye.
 

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Bad News! Agreement not reached with Iran, says Vance

US Vice President JD Vance said on Sunday that the US had not been able to reach an agreement with Iran, even after 21 hours of “substantive discussions” under the umbrella of the ‘Islamabad Talks’, mediated by Pakistan, which commenced on Saturday afternoon.

He was addressing a press conference in Islamabad after the direct talks between high-level delegations from the two countries, a historic first in several decades, stretched into a second day on Sunday.

“We have been at it now for 21 hours, and we have had a number of substantive discussions, that’s the good news,” said Vance. “The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement,” he added.

“We have made very clear what our red lines are, what things we are willing to accommodate them on and what things we are not willing to accommodate them on,” said the US vice president, adding that the Iranian delegation had “chosen not to accept our terms”.

Key points from Vance’s press conference

JD Vance said US-Iran talks in Islamabad lasted 21 hours but ended without an agreement.

The US insisted on guarantees that Iran would not pursue nuclear weapons, which Tehran refused to accept.

Both sides held “substantive discussions” and exchanged proposals on issues like sanctions, nuclear policy, and regional conflict.
Iran said progress depends on US “good faith” and recognition of its rights, including sanctions relief and access to funds.

Pakistan was praised by both sides for mediating despite the deadlock.

 

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There is clearly a deadlock on key issues. It will be very interesting to see how things proceed in the coming hours and days.
 

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There is clearly a deadlock on key issues. It will be very interesting to see how things proceed in the coming hours and days.

There was deadlock from beginning, both sides however think they are winning, and thought opposite sides would give in to their demands.

Now, its whether war will continue, if Iran keeps the Strait closed, war will definitely restart, and there might be a coalition forming to fight that,
if Iran lets ships pass through, then US will just call it a victory and go home
 

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There was deadlock from beginning, both sides however think they are winning, and thought opposite sides would give in to their demands.

Now, its whether war will continue, if Iran keeps the Strait closed, war will definitely restart, and there might be a coalition forming to fight that,
if Iran lets ships pass through, then US will just call it a victory and go home

I guess we are back to square one.
 

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There was deadlock from beginning, both sides however think they are winning, and thought opposite sides would give in to their demands.

Now, its whether war will continue, if Iran keeps the Strait closed, war will definitely restart, and there might be a coalition forming to fight that,
if Iran lets ships pass through, then US will just call it a victory and go home

You are missing nuclear enrichment, basically the war will resume no matter what. Unless Iran decides to concede and become Libya 2.0.

As for your coalition statement, no countries beforehand demonstrated the will to hop on to the crazy train with the US, nothing has changed materially for those countries to alter their positions.
 

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You are missing nuclear enrichment, basically the war will resume no matter what. Unless Iran decides to concede and become Libya 2.0.

As for your coalition statement, no countries beforehand demonstrated the will to hop on to the crazy train with the US, nothing has changed materially for those countries to alter their positions.

well US has no way of getting that material out without a ground invasion, which is not gonna happen.

As for coalition, who knows, I can see countries be willing to join coalition if Iran continues to blockade the Strait even if there is a ceasefire, otherwise it will cause economic damage to many countries.
 

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Remember saddam had WMD's, all lies to justify their invasion. Their intent is to dismantle iran, everything they say outside of this is just a smokescreen deception. Natanyahoo spent the last 30 years claiming that iran was 2 months away from the getting the nuclear weapon to justify a war against Iran.
 

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Remember saddam had WMD's, all lies to justify their invasion. Their intent is to dismantle iran, everything they say outside of this is just a smokescreen deception. Natanyahoo spent the last 30 years claiming that iran was 2 months away from the getting the nuclear weapon to justify a war against Iran.
Maybe the word "enemy" might be too strong a word, but the Iranians are kind of that or a rival in the region. So, I honestly do not care from a Turkish POV.
 

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Maybe the word "enemy" might be too strong a word, but the Iranians are kind of that or a rival in the region. So, I honestly do not care from a Turkish POV.
From where I stand, there are not much rivalries left in the region. There are only Israel, Iran and Turkey left. When Iran out of the picture, there will only be Turkey and Israel. And we all know for a fact that Israel working really hard to paint a bull’s eye on Turkey and calling everyone to focus on this new “Islamic threat”! Israel picking you up as the “next one”, that really is a trouble.
 
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