TR Land Vehicle Programs

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1420013718943977474

V8 190 HP Turbo diesel. Thank you SAAB for introducing that term to automotives lol

 

[Bogeyman]

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The Turkish Army Is Switching To Wheeled APCs​

Since 2016 the Turkish armed forces have undergone a drastic shift in its mission and role. Fully committed to NATO in the past, it’s now acting far beyond the alliance’s purview as it shapes events in the Caucasus, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and beyond. This pursuit of an aggressive foreign policy is happening alongside a piecemeal modernization that involves world-class equipment. In the first half of 2019 the country’s leading armored vehicle manufacturer announced it won orders to supply the army with its PARS 6×6 and 8×8 APCs. According to FNSS it will supply an initial batch of 100 PARS APCs for the army and the Gendarmerie or national police force.


The army’s mechanized units are still reliant on some 3,000 M113A2 APCs supplied by the US and assembled by FNSS. The number of infantry fighting vehicles or IFVs are much smaller and these are the ACV-15, whose age and characteristics are just as outdated. The shortcomings of ACV-15’s and M113’s are apparent when up against the portable anti-armor and anti-material weaponry fielded by insurgents battling the Turkish armed forces. In recent years the army switched to a fleet of MRAPs manufactured by BMC that earned their combat records against PKK Terrorist Organization and open warfare in Syria and Libya.

The PARS 6×6 Scout is now the army’s choice to fulfill three roles in the near future: command and control; reconnaissance in hazardous or toxic environments (CBRNe); mobile electronic warfare and signals intelligence. For a single vehicle to be chosen for such diverse roles proves the sterling qualities of the PARS 6×6. Fully amphibious and heavily armored, the PARS 6×6 has a different layout compared to other wheeled APCs. The entire crew are seated in the cab with the engine compartment located behind them. This is comparable to the French-made VAB or the German-made Fuchs. The PARS 6×6, however, is better protected with its monocoque hull encased in add-on panels giving it ballistic protection as high as STANAG IV.

The larger PARS 8×8 may enter service with the Turkish military later on. Its public record as an exportable combat vehicle is decent enough with Malaysia and Oman being its primary clients. What makes the PARS 6×6 and 8×8 so impressive isn’t just their mobility but a hydro-pneumatic suspension system allowing them to navigate across varied terrain better than older wheeled APCs such as the LAV/Piranha and even the BTR-series. The PARS 8×8 is also meant to be armed based on the end user’s requirements, whether it’s a turret for a medium caliber weapon or a 120mm mortar. As a mortar carrier the PARS 8×8 has enough space to fit the complete artillery piece inside its hull along with the ammunition.

The basic armament for the PARS 6×6 Scout is a .50 caliber machine gun on a remote weapon station. But FNSS can install a 25mm, 30mm, or 35mm cannon together with grenade launchers and machine guns on an unmanned turret if needed. A particularly lethal option is a pivoting launcher with two OMTAS ATGMs that each have a range of 4 kilometers. Turkish manufacturers know how to integrate non-standard weapons (like those made in Russia) on their vehicles too. The PARS 6×6’s exports are very promising since Turkey is committed to rebuilding the militaries of its newfound friends outside Europe. The needed mechanization and mobility of armies in distant countries such as Somalia and Qatar, not to mention existing clients in Southeast Asia, may open medium-term opportunities.

The PARS 8×8 and 6×6 do face competition from local rivals. The manufacturer BMC has a new wheeled armored transport of its own and Otokar’s impressive military catalog isn’t fading away soon.

The Turkish Army Is Switching To Wheeled APCs

The PARS 6×6 IZCI. Via FNSS. Since 2016 the Turkish armed forces have undergone a drastic shift in its mission and role. Fully committed to NATO in the past, it’s now acting far beyond t…

21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com

 

[Ryder]

Not just apcs the Turkish army needs IFVs

 

[Stuka]

BMC Updated their Website.

Kirpi II METI

> The Usual Kirpi II has a 375HP Engine but this one weighs 24 Tons !


Kirpi II Carrier Vehicle

> More Powerful Engine as well.
> Combat Weight 23.3 Tons and Payload 2.6 Tons (Kirpi Standart 1.7 Tons)
> This one is for ATGM and Comparable Systems. Somebody tweeted that they had seen the Kirpi and Vuran with ATGMs.

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BMC Vuran MLRS Carrier.

> No Info on this one. Why is it 4 Doors ? Could have had more Space with 2 Doors.


BMC Vuran Mortar

> Combat Weight 20 Tons.

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Tank Carrier 8x8 with BMC POWER Engine

Attention!
Engine is AZRA GEN 2 (BMC POWER)

> Delivers 600HP and 3000NM Torque!
> 90 Kph
> 800KM Range

> Transmission Allison 4800
> Empty Weight 22 Tons, Max. 120 Tons.

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BMC Tulga SUV and Pickup

> Payload of 1 Tons. Could carry

- For the Record a ZU-23 23MM Antiaircraft Gun weighs 950kgs

 

[Ryder]

Bmc ute would be perfect with a turret at the back.

 

[Kartal1]

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The Turkish Army Is Switching To Wheeled APCs​

Since 2016 the Turkish armed forces have undergone a drastic shift in its mission and role. Fully committed to NATO in the past, it’s now acting far beyond the alliance’s purview as it shapes events in the Caucasus, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and beyond. This pursuit of an aggressive foreign policy is happening alongside a piecemeal modernization that involves world-class equipment. In the first half of 2019 the country’s leading armored vehicle manufacturer announced it won orders to supply the army with its PARS 6×6 and 8×8 APCs. According to FNSS it will supply an initial batch of 100 PARS APCs for the army and the Gendarmerie or national police force.


The army’s mechanized units are still reliant on some 3,000 M113A2 APCs supplied by the US and assembled by FNSS. The number of infantry fighting vehicles or IFVs are much smaller and these are the ACV-15, whose age and characteristics are just as outdated. The shortcomings of ACV-15’s and M113’s are apparent when up against the portable anti-armor and anti-material weaponry fielded by insurgents battling the Turkish armed forces. In recent years the army switched to a fleet of MRAPs manufactured by BMC that earned their combat records against PKK Terrorist Organization and open warfare in Syria and Libya.

The PARS 6×6 Scout is now the army’s choice to fulfill three roles in the near future: command and control; reconnaissance in hazardous or toxic environments (CBRNe); mobile electronic warfare and signals intelligence. For a single vehicle to be chosen for such diverse roles proves the sterling qualities of the PARS 6×6. Fully amphibious and heavily armored, the PARS 6×6 has a different layout compared to other wheeled APCs. The entire crew are seated in the cab with the engine compartment located behind them. This is comparable to the French-made VAB or the German-made Fuchs. The PARS 6×6, however, is better protected with its monocoque hull encased in add-on panels giving it ballistic protection as high as STANAG IV.

The larger PARS 8×8 may enter service with the Turkish military later on. Its public record as an exportable combat vehicle is decent enough with Malaysia and Oman being its primary clients. What makes the PARS 6×6 and 8×8 so impressive isn’t just their mobility but a hydro-pneumatic suspension system allowing them to navigate across varied terrain better than older wheeled APCs such as the LAV/Piranha and even the BTR-series. The PARS 8×8 is also meant to be armed based on the end user’s requirements, whether it’s a turret for a medium caliber weapon or a 120mm mortar. As a mortar carrier the PARS 8×8 has enough space to fit the complete artillery piece inside its hull along with the ammunition.

The basic armament for the PARS 6×6 Scout is a .50 caliber machine gun on a remote weapon station. But FNSS can install a 25mm, 30mm, or 35mm cannon together with grenade launchers and machine guns on an unmanned turret if needed. A particularly lethal option is a pivoting launcher with two OMTAS ATGMs that each have a range of 4 kilometers. Turkish manufacturers know how to integrate non-standard weapons (like those made in Russia) on their vehicles too. The PARS 6×6’s exports are very promising since Turkey is committed to rebuilding the militaries of its newfound friends outside Europe. The needed mechanization and mobility of armies in distant countries such as Somalia and Qatar, not to mention existing clients in Southeast Asia, may open medium-term opportunities.

The PARS 8×8 and 6×6 do face competition from local rivals. The manufacturer BMC has a new wheeled armored transport of its own and Otokar’s impressive military catalog isn’t fading away soon.

The Turkish Army Is Switching To Wheeled APCs

The PARS 6×6 IZCI. Via FNSS. Since 2016 the Turkish armed forces have undergone a drastic shift in its mission and role. Fully committed to NATO in the past, it’s now acting far beyond t…

21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com

My opinion is that among wheeled IFV/APC acquisition TSK should also acquire a good number of tracked APC/IFVs. The reason for this is that I think they will be better suited for urban warfare due to their higher maneuverability and pivoting capability. I think pivoting capability is crucial when we look at the infrastructure of smaller Turkish cities or even some neighbourhoods in big cities and cities in neighbouring countries where small and tight streets are very common.

The Turkish Land Forces should have versatility in this regard and I think some mechanized infantry units should be specialized in urban warfare by training emphasizing urban warfare tactics and also their armor and equipment to be optimized for urban warfare operations. I think the Turkish Land Forces have deficiency in modern urban warfare equipment, trained and specialized personnel. This could be solved by specializing or creating mechanized infantry units for urban warfare procuring modern tracked APC/IFVs, modern light/medium tanks, modern urban warfare equipment like advanced grappling hooks, advanced breaching equipment, higher quantity of sensors like behind the wall radars, acoustic sensors, effective IED/mine detection and demolition systems, higher quantity of small recon drones, higher quantity of small kamikaze UAVs (Kargu type), effective integration of small/medium/heavy class UGVs into the mechanized infantry structure and urban warfare tactics. I think we have the capacity to solve these issues and with our advanced defence industry capabilities we can give solution to these problems.

 

[Spook]

Otokar and FNSS probably going to display their new designs at IDEF. Tender should start when BMC is ready

 

[Spook]

Pretty good for Africa, Middle East, and Latin America markets. Otokar can offer it as Panhard etc. replacement.

 

[Abdelaziz]

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Otokar and FNSS probably going to display their new designs at IDEF. Tender should start when BMC is ready

Bmc is maturing a local engine for the first time in the country ... this is high value strategic project .... So yes ..they deserve to wait for them in the same way .. a high strategic project is fnss 6×6 pars with tümosan engines .. it should be prioritized too ... This is SSB priority "the local subs"

 

[Abdelaziz]

A huge corp like otokar should use more systems either by its own R&D or by support local manufacturers like tumosan who has a really nearly ready power group that could replace the foreign groups

 

[Spook]

Bmc is maturing a local engine for the first time in the country ... this is high value strategic project .... So yes ..they deserve to wait for them in the same way .. a high strategic project is fnss 6×6 pars with tümosan engines .. it should be prioritized too ... This is SSB priority "the local subs"

Again, engine rights belong to government, paid by taxpayer money. Any company can offer it for their platform.

 

[Abdelaziz]

Again, engine rights belong to government, paid by taxpayer money. Any company can offer it for their platform.

Yes the state supported them and this is normal with the strategical proj ..but they did their job and did a great work ... And deserve to be appreciated

 

[Abdelaziz]

Again, engine rights belong to government, paid by taxpayer money. Any company can offer it for their platform.

No not any company ... If you don't have experience vision and qualified staff .. the support wont be enough

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1424339756473884672

 

[Stuka]

FNSS PARS IV 6x6 with Slat armor

 

[Ryder]

Looks beautiful can I import one to Australia

 

[Stuka]

Looks beautiful can I import one to Australia

That's unfortunately out of Question but you could ask the Australian Army for a GTK BOXER 8x8 which is Superb.

 

[TheInsider]

FNSS PARS IV 6x6 with Slat armor

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SOF 6x6 variant. It is specially designed for our special forces.

 

[Stuka]

SOF 6x6 variant. It is specially designed for our special forces.

- Yes. That's part of the different Order for Special Forces Command. Initial 12 Vehicles. (MKKA Project)
- The Other Commands (Land Forces Command and Gendarmerie Command) will receive initially 100 PARS IZCI. (ÖMTTZA Project)
- The Big Tender for Land Forces Command for 8x8 and 6x6 IFVs is awaiting its Trials for 2962 Vehicles. (YNHZA Project)

 

[Khagan1923]

Pars IV 6x6 is just a upgraded Pars III 6x6. Pars IV 8x8 is the crown jewel. The demand for 6x6 is just not there.