TR Land Vehicle Programs

[Quasar]

But why aren't we making something of Cockerills level and trying to reach the same quality. As long as the quality is the same we can work on better products by adhering to higher quality standards.

I know it's not easy, but I hope at least there are dedicated R&D for that. Kaplan MT is imo bloody awesome.

-Bro in fact as we know KAPLAN is tailor made for the customer while a specific enivornment in mind (30 ton) ... we may never need KAPLAN class tanks.

-Yet there is a sizable market for wheeled and tracked light tanks I totally agree that at least we have to have several options and with indigenous turret(s)

-M60A3 can easly be considered a medium tank (eventhough it is kind of an old terminology) around (50 ton) I dont know why I am writing this

- However in abroad for ROKETSAN MZK 15.000 M60 and 25.000 T 72 may provide better opportunities... in addition to known domestic need most probably that is why the focus was on MZK first

 

[somegoodusername]

FNSS and Otokar are private entities, not our officials. They exist to make money.

If you declare intention to take 300-400 fire support platforms in your military, private firms will produce their own equivalent of that turret.

 

[boredaf]

⚡️ Silence and power together: Our Hybrid Armored Combat Vehicle #DAĞHAN !

The leading force of modern battlefields with its high maneuverability, silent operation and durability!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1834950650657992706

The day we finally move away from M113 type vehicles we as Turkish defence enthusiast should get together and sacrifice 113 something. I don't know what. Maybe TSK can give us M113s to sacrifice. I just want to see the back of this box on wheels.

 

[somegoodusername]

The day we finally move away from M113 type vehicles we as Turkish defence enthusiast should get together and sacrifice 113 something. I don't know what. Maybe TSK can give us M113s to sacrifice. I just want to see the back of this box on wheels.

This is not an M113. Similarly, many other vehicles that resemble the M113 are also not M113s.

 

[Sanchez]

This is not an M113.

Better question would be "what exactly is it?"

To clarify, I don't claim to know what Dağhan is actually supposed to be. But I recognize an ACV-19 running gear when I see one.

 

[somegoodusername]

We now have 4-5 different military vehicle producers. Has the Turkish Ministry of Defense held any tenders where multiple military vehicles compete and the best one wins the contract with local suppliers? If not, why do some firms get the contracts while others do not?

 

[Sanchez]

We now have 4-5 different military vehicle producers. Has the Turkish Ministry of Defense held any tenders where multiple military vehicles compete and the best one wins the contract with local suppliers? If not, why do some firms get the contracts while others do not?

Yes, YN-ZMA program will incur up to 3000 wheeled and tracked AFVs of more than 20 variants into the army.

 

[somegoodusername]

Better question would be "what exactly is it?"

To clarify, I don't claim to know what Dağhan is actually supposed to be. But I recognize an ACV-19 running gear when I see one.

It is a brand new vehicle.

 

[Afif]

Better question would be "what exactly is it?"

To clarify, I don't claim to know what Dağhan is actually supposed to be. But I recognize an ACV-19 running gear when I see one.

By the looks of it, APC? Like US army's AMPV.

 

[somegoodusername]

Yes, YN-ZMA program will incur up to 3000 wheeled and tracked AFVs of more than 20 variants into the army.

I asked "did" you answered me "will". If other vehicles were procured politically, without competition, why should we believe Next-Gent ACV procurement will be different?

 

[Sanchez]

It is a brand new vehicle.

It isn't. At most, it's a testbed for MKE's hybrid powerpack. If it is anything else and they decide to give this shitbox on tracks to soldiers, it will mean a clear and cut case of CORRUPTION.

I asked "did" you answered me "will". If other vehicles were procured politically, without competition, why should we believe Next-Gent ACV procurement will be different?

ACVs at the time were built by FNSS because FNSS was a joint venture with FMS. Altay tender on paper was fine. STA tender was made and FNSS was declared winner over Otokar.

 

[boredaf]

This is not an M113. Similarly, many other vehicles that resemble the M113 are also not M113s.

That is why I wrote:

M113 type vehicles

Let me clarify. If I took this vehicle and an M113 apart, they would look very similar even though MKE doesn't say anything about it, I bet this is just another aluminium death box. Just like M113 and vehicles derived from it are, such as FNSS's ZMA.

Edit: This is the firm MKE works with to make their electric/hybrid vehicles and this is the "Dağhan":

H620 - Anzatsan A.Ş

Anzatsan A.Ş | Yerli Hibrit Motor, Bağımsız Güç!

anzatsan.com

 

[Anmdt]

Better question would be "what exactly is it?"

To clarify, I don't claim to know what Dağhan is actually supposed to be. But I recognize an ACV-19 running gear when I see one.

It is what it is, an R&D blackhole to fund some companies.

 

[Anmdt]

That is why I wrote:


Let me clarify. If I took this vehicle and an M113 apart, they would look very similar even though MKE doesn't say anything about it, I bet this is just another aluminium death box. Just like M113 and vehicles derived from it are, such as FNSS's ZMA.

Edit: This is the firm MKE works with to make their electric/hybrid vehicles and this is the "Dağhan":

H620 - Anzatsan A.Ş

Anzatsan A.Ş | Yerli Hibrit Motor, Bağımsız Güç!

anzatsan.com

And if you have time review board of the companie, and their past affiliations. It is fun.

 

[Ştutgart]

TURKISH ARMED FORCES GAIN CAPABILITIES WITH M60T TANK MODERNIZATION

 

[Sanchez]

BOTH LAND AND SEA VEHICLE:
Armoured Amphibious Assault Vehicle (ZAHA)

Maximum swimming speed: 7 knots
Weight: 30 tons
Vision system: Night and Day
Length: 8.3 meters
Width: 3.3 meters
Cruising range: 15 nm at sea, 320 km on land

The fastest amphibious vehicle in the Turkish Armed Forces, ZAHA, has a 12.7 mm machine gun and a 40 mm grenade launcher weapon system. With a personnel capacity of 21, #ZAHA has all the features that a military land vehicle and sea vehicle should have.

Capable of swimming from ship to land, from land to ship, and from island to island, ZAHA has an important place as a force multiplier in the amphibious operations of our Naval Forces Command.

ZAHAs, produced locally and nationally by Turkish engineers, have the ability to right themselves at sea even if they capsize in difficult sea conditions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1837442711374172425

Will be great when we order 100 more. I'm thinking 27 vehicles is just a battalion's worth. We now have 3 marine brigades.

 

[somegoodusername]

Will be great when we order 100 more. I'm thinking 27 vehicles is just a battalion's worth. We now have 3 marine brigades.

How does our marine brigade structure looks like?

 

[Sanchez]

How does our marine brigade structure looks like?

Sadly not public information. Needs to change, but doesn't.

 

[Ştutgart]

Armored amphibious assault vehicle, a monster

 

[AzeriTank]

Mate that makes zero sense. Roketsan is not going to make a new turret just for T-72 upgrades and they cannot just shave off 5 tons from the existing turret while adding armour.

Edit: Here is a news article about it from last year:

ROKETSAN offers the MZK turret solution, which provides higher protection, fire control performance and situational awareness for the M60A3 and T-72 main battle tanks. Lighter than existing turrets (the T-72 turret weighs 18 tons, while the M60A3 turret weighs 14.5 tons), the 13-ton MZK provides increased protection against RPG, anti-tank, APFSDS ammunition and up to 30mm automatic cannon ammunition.

ROKETSAN'dan M60A3 ve T-72 tankları için MZK kulesi

ROKETSAN, M60A3 ve T-72 tankları için daha yüksek koruma, atış kontrol ve durumsal farkındalık sağlayan MZK kule çözümünü sunuyor.

www.defenceturk.net

as i know, armor made of boron is very light. if they can make body armor with the same protection but decrease the weight from 3-4 kg to 1kg, why not to do in a Tank Turret?
hydrolic also wights a lot, which probably used here is electrical for turning the turret