TR Libya Operations & Updates

[Reviewbrah]

Turkish vessels need to continue guarding these cargo vessels.

Navy escorts ships when they carry military cargo. This was a civilian ship.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1330845512338173957

How EU reacts to their illegal move...

 

[Glass🚬]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1330845512338173957

How EU reacts to their illegal move...

I would place soldiers onto these Turkish-flagged cargo vessels with the justification that Turkish-flagged cargo vessels have been illegaly capsized.
I know that they wont have any dumb ideas when there are Turkish soldiers onboard.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1330852646366941187

 

[azaher77]

DER SPIEGEL | Online-Nachrichten

www.spiegel.de

Der Spiegel: “Turkey prevents the German army from inspecting a Turkish transport ship suspected of transporting weapons to Libya.” To clarify: The German move comes within the framework of the “Ireni mission to monitor the transfer of weapons to Libya.”

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[Yasar_TR]

We should demand a formal apology from the German government for the illegal action they have taken against our civilian ship, through state channels.

 

[Saithan]

That is what I was thinking as well. An apology would indicate wrongdoings.y

But if they're not going to do it, then we'll just hold it against them. They keep mentioning their EU meeting in december anyway, so the more they fuck up the less pompous they can act.

 

[Saithan]

Turkey protests ‘unauthorized’ search of Turkish ship by German forces of Operation Irini in east Med - Türkiye News

Turkey has protested a German frigate deployed under Operation Irini by the European Union that carried out an “unauthorized” search on a Turkish cargo ship in the eastern Mediterranean, which was carrying humanitarian aid to Libya.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Germany angers Turkey with attempt to police Libya arms embargo

Turkey protested to Germany and the EU on Monday after German forces belonging to an EU military mission boarded and tried to search a Turkish cargo ship that they suspected of taking weapons to Libya illegally.

www.reuters.com

 

[Anmdt]

Turkey protests ‘unauthorized’ search of Turkish ship by German forces of Operation Irini in east Med - Türkiye News

Turkey has protested a German frigate deployed under Operation Irini by the European Union that carried out an “unauthorized” search on a Turkish cargo ship in the eastern Mediterranean, which was carrying humanitarian aid to Libya.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Germany angers Turkey with attempt to police Libya arms embargo

Turkey protested to Germany and the EU on Monday after German forces belonging to an EU military mission boarded and tried to search a Turkish cargo ship that they suspected of taking weapons to Libya illegally.

www.reuters.com

One should ask it by now, do they dare to check any other vessels or fligts from UAE or KSA except some which were carrying crude oil. Or are they overlooking some vessels which is definitely known to carry arms?

 

[Saithan]

One should ask it by now, do they dare to check any other vessels or fligts from UAE or KSA except some which were carrying crude oil. Or are they overlooking some vessels which is definitely known to carry arms?

According to Ret. Adm. Kutluk says the illegal action has given Turkey the right to answer in kind, which is like opening up Pandora's box. Turkey will be able to violate UN rules about searching ships flagging German and Greek vessels in open seas.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We should start searching Greek and German ships going through Bosphorus and Dardanelles until we receive a formal apology.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

There will be consequences!
I can't believe how incompetent Europeans can be sometimes!
The operation was reportedly under Greek command. That probably says it all!

 

[Glass🚬]

According to Yayci the recent action equals trespassing on sovereign Turkish land.

 

[Kartal1]

Retired Admiral Gurdeniz: This act is one step below a declaration of war. This is comparable to the "Bag Event". There is nothing that can be forgiven in that situation.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1330901718104727557

 

[Anmdt]

We should start searching Greek and German ships going through Bosphorus and Dardanelles until we receive a formal apology.

We can do that, we have all the rights in sovereign waters.
The matter is bigger, in fact Germans has realized they have violated international law under pressure of Greeks, they have got some issues to deal within themselves.
You can not simply rain a ship, open the ,locked-sealed by sovereign state's custom office, containers by force without video documentation and approval -presence of the captain. You can not make sure of those soldiers to hang out around opened containers, will not intend to slip something in those containers to be found guilty later, or to pick something to be missing later.
However in sovereign waters you don't need SOF to raid ships, you can board with your civilian inspectors and they have no reason to prevent from that, any sovereign flag state has rights to do thorough inspections on the vessels entering its waters.
You can not detain the captain of a ship unless he has refused to be cooperative out of the lawful actions, and you can not open containers without him inspecting the process.
The only valid way of stopping a vessel in international waters, if it is headed to your waters and you suspect its cargo, or validity of the verbal declaration of captain, then you can stop, search it with soldiers.
The another valid way that the vessel has been through suspicious activities, history of port visits, false declared cargo or destination, suspicious departure from unregistered ports, or not responding to the radio comms, then the vessel can be expect with flag state's approval.

declaring a mission within an union doesn't make them eligible or by-pass to violate international trading law.

 

[Kartal1]

We can do that, we have all the rights in sovereign waters.
The matter is bigger, in fact Germans has realized they have violated international law under pressure of Greeks, they have got some issues to deal within themselves.
You can not simply rain a ship, open the ,locked-sealed by sovereign state's custom office, containers by force without video documentation and approval -presence of the captain. You can not make sure of those soldiers to hang out around opened containers, will not intend to slip something in those containers to be found guilty later, or to pick something to be missing later.
However in sovereign waters you don't need SOF to raid ships, you can board with your civilian inspectors and they have no reason to prevent from that, any sovereign flag state has rights to do thorough inspections on the vessels entering its waters.
You can not detain the captain of a ship unless he has refused to be cooperative out of the lawful actions, and you can not open containers without him inspecting the process.
The only valid way of stopping a vessel in international waters, if it is headed to your waters and you suspect its cargo, or validity of the verbal declaration of captain, then you can stop, search it with soldiers.
The another valid way that the vessel has been through suspicious activities, history of port visits, false declared cargo or destination, suspicious departure from unregistered ports, or not responding to the radio comms, then the vessel can be expect with flag state's approval.

declaring a mission within an union doesn't make them eligible or by-pass to violate international trading law.

If what you say is true then what is the point of Operation Irini in the first place? If I understand properly you can not conduct a VBSS operation on a vessel in international or internal waters of another country if the ship have its flag and the flag country don't give it's consent of the search right?

 

[Bogeyman]

One should ask it by now, do they dare to check any other vessels or fligts from UAE or KSA except some which were carrying crude oil. Or are they overlooking some vessels which is definitely known to carry arms?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1304116990303502338

In fact, they had previously seized tankers carrying jet fuel for the UAE.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1304116990303502338

In fact, they had previously seized tankers carrying jet fuel for the UAE.

For once, yes.
But they dont eye traffic on the eastern part, as much as they do on western part.

 

[Anmdt]

If what you say is true then what is the point of Operation Irini in the first place? If I understand properly you can not conduct a VBSS operation on a vessel in international or internal waters of another country if the ship have its flag and the flag country don't give it's consent of the search right?

If the ship is in internal waters of a country, that countrt has right to conduct search, seize, inspect the ship without consent of the flag state of the vessel.
In international waters, there should be eithere extreme suspicion on drugs, or suspicious or shadowy history, false declaration to intercept the ship. Or the ship should be avoiding comms, hinting pirates have seized or something is not alright with the crew, otherwise there is need for approval of the flag state which ship is registered to.
I don't really understand what operation irini is meant to, but if it is lawful they could obtain rights to control and inspect any ship visiting or leaving libyan waters claiming sovereignty of libya is unclear.

 

[Saithan]

If the ship is in internal waters of a country, that countrt has right to conduct search, seize, inspect the ship without consent of the flag state of the vessel.
In international waters, there should be eithere extreme suspicion on drugs, or suspicious or shadowy history, false declaration to intercept the ship. Or the ship should be avoiding comms, hinting pirates have seized or something is not alright with the crew, otherwise there is need for approval of the flag state which ship is registered to.
I don't really understand what operation irini is meant to, but if it is lawful they could obtain rights to control and inspect any ship visiting or leaving libyan waters claiming sovereignty of libya is unclear.

I think these moves have been made deliberate tbh.

I believe they're building up tension with several EU countries to work the public opinion and at the same time shape it for sanctions they want to put on Turkey.

Remember they're being silent and ignoring details of the incident while their "own" press is focused on Turkey not allowing the search, while ignoring that it was illegal.

The simple fact that they found nothing but humanitarian aid is just a footnote in all this.

Turkey plays key role in fight against terrorism: NATO - Türkiye News

Turkey has played a key role in the fight against terrorism, providing infrastructure and platforms for liberating territories controlled by ISIL, NATO’s secretary-general said on Nov. 23.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

German representative is talking about Turkey being disruptive to NATO, which speaks volumes of their real stance on Turkey.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1331273032279744516

LNA making drills and using the Turkish flag as target.