"Like Russia, India will disintegrate into several states" Sanjay Raut

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I will say this however when we are talking about "Cores" and such (given theres a whole waffle talk of he says she says separatismsmsmsms prevalence/likelihood/blah)....

...and them existing (muh cores!) in <insert convenient blab here...I guess russia?> but not India.

Dig past the semantics and waffle, and get to the hard data is always best....as to is the person/entity basically credible and cognisant on the matter at hand (weak pot shots at India, from his glass house)

What does the glass house look like exactly you ask?

It saves about 7% of GDP a year.

Thats literally 20 billion dollars a year (fairly easy to look all this stuff up btw, I suggest people do and correct me if possible)

What is 20 billion dollars looking like relative to other things it does with its suitable asserted core?

..or maybe half-core now w.r.t founders (on that currency still yo! - but now better without the bengali squiggles) intent?

Well, it is about half or even a third of what this country imports a year.

Yup you heard that right, it saves as little as a third of what it buys from foreigners on a regular basis.

Two countries alone remit about 12 billion a year to Pakistan per year (its beshtest buddies it's establishment really ought to be on its knees for)....aka KSA and UAE.

i.e thats right folks, two countries alone provide more than half of what Pakistan manages to save in total a year.

These are not merely pathetic figures, they are abominably bad. It just gets worse the further you go into this (basic ratios of stuff w.r.t savings, given the importance of savings to climb out of any basic predicament be it a person or a country), so I'll stop there given it will just be a rant to continue.

Was it always this way? Take a gander for yourself to the dual-core processor era:


Raw core math different? Nah...only the folks names have changed .... oh wait "Khan Niazi"....nvm maybe not so much....

....though I guess one (the one in Dhaka having a significant emotional moment) at least had a uniform on, that counts for lot more (in Pakistan ofc in its peculiar way) than the new hot-air music chairs "wont go to KL for his besties" guy...I guess he has a tailored sherwani....like mushy dear to switch into when visiting hometown to blab some platitudes about peace (uniform was there, but wasnt quite what he was going for I suppose).

But anyway, is it any real question how the now-separate cores have turned out on basic savings + progress math? Like 1+1 foundational core stuff. You can see who the REAL core was (1906 Dhaka Muslim League formation, can a bro get a hell yeah?)

This is what I mean when you have names like Persia and India (or something reasonable like ethnicity or whatever connects you as a people past just religion)....you dont have all that deadweight of crushing new-identity-was-old-identity-but-its-new-but-its-old-too you see from rambling OCD types at best and strait jacket loonies at worst...when that just grinds their gears for whatever reason because they always have to measure up by asserting...rather than actually build themselves up.

Thats why Persia (even with its massive theocracy + sanctions weighing it down) can develop sounding rockets and then actual rockets from the ballistic missiles it has.

Skip and a hop over the OCD-establishment "needed a shrink decades ago" "establishment" place (which achieves nothing of this sort for a reason its in denial about)....you get to India which has done the same commensurate to its scale with Persia.

Chess GMs, patents, basic industrial capacity and fortitude....thought and application and actual development of that thought and application....its all a big void in these hard numbers between the Thar and persian highlands for some reason. I mean its that basic 20 billion dollar math again.

So its obviously a better world and future basically when you dont have to doubt your narrative all the time hmmmin and hawwing or lot worse than that (in the case of the core that gotta way from the dual-core drama).

i.e you simply exist as the civilisation you always were. No new names, new drama, new narratives....already have enough of the old ones to figure out, why add new?

You just get situations like blatant self-harm...

Stuff like defacing the grave of your smartest person you ever produced (and by a wide wide margin too).

Stuff like writing in your school books to teach all your kids about "1000 years" and that the country+nation history only started with Mr. jolly old good Qasim...for he lit the whole creation and genesis of it...where only darkness lay before blah blah blah (that mr music chairs sherwani guy still hasnt addressed and changed btw).

Then still other types, in foreign shores mostly (and ironically) want to be taken seriously and credibly when they want to knock at the door of serious science and history conventions governing civilisation heritage and rudimentary political theory.....all the while with the self-harm in the school books, defacing graves of smartest people, total disparaging of the smartest man's smartest student, importing boatloads of preachers and extreme religion dingbat slushfunds...and every other thing the establishment and so called high-society does without thinking twice?...leading to the bloody gruesome dropping of the whole other "Core" it started out with?

Wait, we are supposed to do something other than smile and nod (And over time cross to the other side of the road and ignore the troublesome OCD mutterer/megaphone/crayons up his nose/whatever at hand at the time types)?

We are supposed to clap and cheer and encourage these types juggling "effort" I suppose...a big A+ for dropping them all each and every time but it all makes sense somehow (with all the self-harm of the people actualy pulling weight and making decisions in the "big party and you aint in it" place) .

A for effort they say...or maybe Borat's "GREAT SUCCESS, VERY NICE!" Two thumbs up big smile.

@VCheng

In mean time, India, US and just about every large democracy with some basic semblance of free speech protection have to worry about having "no core" because of it....because some A B C, X Y Z political hack fella said a meanie-meanie thing about his country for some totally stoic, reasoned goal.

*pickachu sad face*...aw shucks.
 
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Since the (off topic) replies were on theme of separatism (in Karima Baloch Canada thread), I moved them here if people want to talk about it more.

Please stay within forum rules and both @KKF 2.0 can read my earlier reply here if he wants more understanding on my position on the matter.
 

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@Jackdaws @Zapper @Raptor You know why he wants India to split? not for the reasons these cheerleaders are waving.
This is just a game of one upmanship between Sena and BJP. BJP initially thought the unnatural alliance between Sena-NCP and Congress would not last. It not only lasted a while but BJP feared they had created another Kejriwal in Uddhav Thackeray. Uddhav Thackeray overall has seemed likable, polite and a technocrat. An advantage Thackeray also has is that he carries his father's legacy as the ultimate Hindutva leader. BJP is afraid all the goodwill and progress it made in Maharashtra in the past 20 years will be wiped out in 5.

So they are doing everything to taint the Sena. First they unleashed Arnab and Co. on the Sadhu killing in Palghar and dubbed Sena as Sonia Sena. Then they implicated Aditya Thackeray in the Sushant Singh suicide case. Then the laughable Kangana episode happened. Now this.

As stated, Sena is not AAP or Congress. They will be very happy to get their hands dirty and employ as many underhand tactics and street fights too.
 
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I want to thank everybody on this thread for keeping the discussion civil. I removed some flaming content from both camps in this thread. Please, keep the discussion civil as you are doing. This is the atmosphere we want to see in the forum. :)
 

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even if you wanted to join India
We parted from you guys, screaming and wailing "no, no". So you think we are going to join you guys now? Even the cheap copy of India - Bangladesh did not join India after 1971. The greatest thing Jinnah did was part uIndus region from you people. Whether Indus Basin chooses a collective future or oes to it's generic provinces the good thing is a future without India. And that is a great thing.

You guys think your issue is with Pakistan. No it is emphatically not. Pakistan is just a federation. Even the name Pakistan is a acronym.

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Your issue is with these provinces that are the building block of Pakistan.

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Let's speculate that at some point there is a 'Pakxit' and the provinces go their way.

  • Khyber Pakhtunkwa [NWFP] on the map.
  • Punjab
  • Balochistan
  • Sindh
  • Kashmir
If you think these provinces or the people living their - for example Pakhtun's, Punjabi's, Sindhi's or Baloch would merge with India you really are deluded.

For a short while of 98 years South Asia was united by a foreign European invader with guns. The British have gone. Now the only future is either as we have now or even more states from India and Pakistan. Something like below -

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depends on the path you choose.

Well it depends on further partitions that happened, and how you remember/cherry pick on that too.

I mean India doesn't have to deal with lingering names like this in our capital city (governing bloody partitions and such so foundationally):

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ironically/semi-ironically/non-ironically (depending on whether you talking to Don Quixote or Sancho Panza type or something else altogether) next to the ISI headquarters too. Really try not to chuckle at that too hard. Or how others cherry pick stronk M.M Alam and stuff conveniently, but then rubbish the area that produced him with whatever takfiri-insult comes to mind.

But then again just below this "khayaban" is "Sri" "Nagar" highway...that's after all a kind of name you will find in the book concerning the highest ideological expression thats asserted (Formation rationale) of the place.

*Changes national anthem to as much persian as possible* .... blink twice or even once and you'll miss it.

20 billion savings man, per year...and import 3 times that...because suhrawardy jute (and all the rest of the smarts + basics) went kaput.

We save near a trillion...and import half that...that too the right direction of it just like the Bongs have done now too.

What is that, a raw narrative dissonance (craving for establishment vs comfort in own skin) between the two of about 6 times intensity at the very least?

But CPEC, gwadar white elephant debt... and exposing indian "Disinfo" will address, explain and light the way, just you see!

Just like Khan-Niazi ver 2.0 will (not in Dhaka this time, phew thank god!). He sure showed us in KL!

Like that "muh somnath raid" guy did for the whitelisting at FATF. LMAO.

Or chubby super-intelligent one did about ISRO I think? Double LOL.

These people man. Abdus Salam was 100% correct about them. As is Hoodbhoy (his student) today.

A dissonant gong show, the people that need a gong on the head aren't getting it.
 

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We parted from you guys, screaming and wailing "no, no". So you think we are going to join you guys now? Even the cheap copy of India - Bangladesh did not join India after 1971. The greatest thing Jinnah did was part uIndus region from you people. Whether Indus Basin chooses a collective future or oes to it's generic provinces the good thing is a future without India. And that is a great thing.

You guys think your issue is with Pakistan. No it is emphatically not. Pakistan is just a federation. Even the name Pakistan is a acronym.

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Your issue is with these provinces that are the building block of Pakistan.

View attachment 10175

Let's speculate that at some point there is a 'Pakxit' and the provinces go their way.

  • Khyber Pakhtunkwa [NWFP] on the map.
  • Punjab
  • Balochistan
  • Sindh
  • Kashmir
If you think these provinces or the people living their - for example Pakhtun's, Punjabi's, Sindhi's or Baloch would merge with India you really are deluded.

For a short while of 98 years South Asia was united by a foreign European invader with guns. The British have gone. Now the only future is either as we have now or even more states from India and Pakistan. Something like below -

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I just told you we would be least interested in Pak regions joining India even if it wanted to. That includes its component units whether you cut them linguistically, ethnically, historically or any other method.

Obviously Kashmir is not a part of Pakistan - it never was and never will be.
 

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