TR Marine Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland)

[Turko]

@Akritas Mate let's live in peace. Forget about war.

 

[Akritas]

@Akritas Mate let's live in peace. Forget about war.

Are you telling me to stop forgetting the war, in a thread that concerns the official policy of your country, where its expansionist policy is obvious?
To put it another way: in the last 50 years, Greece has neither invaded foreign countries, nor possessed parts of foreign countries, nor has it had condemnations from the UN, its planes do not fly over foreign islands, and, of course, has not issued maps and policies of the Mavi Vata type.
So, who thinks of war and who thinks of peace?

 

[Manomed]

Are you telling me to stop forgetting the war, in a thread that concerns the official policy of your country, where its expansionist policy is obvious?
To put it another way: in the last 50 years, Greece has neither invaded foreign countries, nor possessed parts of foreign countries, nor has it had condemnations from the UN, its planes do not fly over foreign islands, and, of course, has not issued maps and policies of the Mavi Vata type.
So, who thinks of war and who thinks of peace?

This place ain't greek circlejerk forum We don't care about your cheap peace

We know how you are still mad because turks kicked you out of anatolia

 

[Vaggos]

This place ain't greek circlejerk forum We don't care about your cheap peace we don't bow to our old subjects

We know how you are still mad because turks kicked you out of anatolia

This place isn't a turkish circlejerk forum either.

Yes we were kicked out of Anatolia just like you were kicked out of the Balkans and the Aegean. This is life, get over it.

 

[Glass🚬]

US "bases" in N.Syria are posts , one small base (Al-Tanf) , all of them created after the 2017.
They supported from....Turkish Incirlik Air Base!!!!

US intervention in the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They are flying in from jordan, incirlik was temporary.

 

[Akritas]

This place ain't greek circlejerk forum We don't care about your cheap peace we don't bow to our old subjects

We know how you are still mad because turks kicked you out of anatolia

When someone talks about cheap peace it means that he is not interested in human life, prosperity and of course social progress. I am sure that in Turkey there are people who do not share your far nationalistics views, that want prosperity and peace.

 

[Glass🚬]

Are you telling me to stop forgetting the war, in a thread that concerns the official policy of your country, where its expansionist policy is obvious?
To put it another way: in the last 50 years, Greece has neither invaded foreign countries, nor possessed parts of foreign countries, nor has it had condemnations from the UN, its planes do not fly over foreign islands, and, of course, has not issued maps and policies of the Mavi Vata type.
So, who thinks of war and who thinks of peace?

greece isnt in a position to invade anyone, it tried to annex trough ratlike behaviour in cyprus but that resulted in northern cyprus becoming its own independent state, since then greece continues on its path for pure irrelevance and insignificance, judging by the economy and demographics its basically impossible that greece could ever invade or annex any country.

But thats because greece choosed to be irrelevant, if greece had a higher population a different mindset which could have also given greece a more robust economy it would have acted differently.

 

[what]

Be civil and use arguments. Dont call other countries subjects and no baiting or shitposting. This is not the place for it.

 

[Huelague]

These.....

The refugees want to go EU. They don’t want to stay in Turkey, expect fews. And they can’t go back home. And we let them go EU. No one has to be pushed to go to EU. All the refugees want to enter EU. And we will help than. It’s our human part acting. I know, it mean less money for Greece if they spend more on refugees and of course more Muslims and Friends of Turkey within EU. But that’s your problem

 

[Manomed]

The refugees want to go EU. They don’t want to stay in Turkey, expect fews. And they can’t go back home. And we let them go EU. No one has to be pushed to go to EU. All the refugees want to enter EU. And we will help than. It’s our human part acting. I know, it mean less money for Greece if they spend more on refugees and of course more Muslims and Friends of Turkey within EU. But that’s your problem

Syrians are not friends of turkey nor the Turks

 

[Oublious]

Whatever source you want, even Turkish .....
Any way, I have showed that the US used base in Turkey, in order to bombing Syria.

US Bases in Syria

www.globalsecurity.org

The U.S. Has Troops in Syria. So Do the Russians and Iranians. Here’s Where. (Published 2018)

American troops are spread across hundreds of miles of Syrian territory, and are fighting in areas that are uncomfortably near Syrian troops and Russian and Iranian forces.

www.nytimes.com

US forces relocate its bases in Syria

Since Turkey started anti-terror operation in N. Syria, US evacuated over half of bases, relocating in oil-rich regions - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Ooo first it was airbases bombing from Incirlik, you couldn't find something and border patrolling with Americans is not proof of your claims.

You are a troll....

 

[the]

I completely understand Turkey's portion of EEZ and the TRNC's claim to areas in north and east. However, surely blocks circled in the green should be recognised as South Cyprus's EEZ. I know this area contains significant gas deposits (see: Aphrodite gas field) but it is highly unlikely that the South would share revenues from gas sale to North, so perhaps the more reasonably approach would be to recognise the South's EEZ (the green area). This way the South, and more importantly the international stage would see Turkey's and the TRNC's pragmaticism and compromise that could perhaps lead to the recognition of Turkish EEZ.

Geographically, TRNC does not have a legitimate reason to claim areas in the south, so the only potential reason for such a claim (that comes to mind) relates to the sharing of all EEZ on the basis of a federal republic.

Perhaps someone more informed can enlighten me, but at first glance it would make sense for Turkey to possess red areas, South Cyprus to possess the area highlighted in green, and for the TRNC to possess the remaining pink areas............

 

[Manomed]

@Khagan1923

 

[Akritas]

Perhaps someone more informed can enlighten me, but at first glance it would make sense for Turkey to possess red areas, South Cyprus to possess the area highlighted in green, and for the TRNC to possess the remaining pink areas............

Is not make sense Turkey to possess either red areas, because there are maritime delimitation agreements between Cyprus and three States(Egypt, Israel and Lebanon), all recognized as provided from the UN(the Law of the Sea).

It is absolutely clear that from the point of view of international law, the Turkish claims around Cyprus are totally unfounded and unsupported either by customary and treaty law or by case law.

As regards the West Part, Turkey arbitrarily forgets the Greek islands and the rights they have under the Law of the Sea. The map you put is the ...... 4th of Turkey in 8 years. It generally changes the maps according to its moods as shown below.

 

[GoatsMilk]

greece isnt in a position to invade anyone, it tried to annex trough ratlike behaviour in cyprus but that resulted in northern cyprus becoming its own independent state, since then greece continues on its path for pure irrelevance and insignificance, judging by the economy and demographics its basically impossible that greece could ever invade or annex any country.

But thats because greece choosed to be irrelevant, if greece had a higher population a different mindset which could have also given greece a more robust economy it would have acted differently.

I think in greece only 3/4 million people are between the age of say 20 to 60. And if you half that for men and women that means only about 1.5 million, call it 2 million people max are of fighting/productive age. While the average age is about 47 years old, meaning its an old country filled with old people.

Meanwhile they have big aspirations against a country of 90 million, which has one of the youngest average aged populations in europe at around 30 years of age.

The greek mind is certainly moronic. Instead of making deals, they pursue hostile ambitions and in their drowning desperation they even cling to snakes turning their country into an american/french colony.

Its just a shame they are not quite as mad armenia to start the war directly, so Turkey has to constantly play this swings and roundabouts game with the greeks instead of just being to settle things the way Azerbaijan did.

This doesnt even go into the fact that greece produces nothing of note and is economically one of the worst in the world, without all that debt backed by german banks they would maybe turn into the poorest most unproductive nation on earth.

 

[Akritas]

greece isnt in a position to invade anyone, it tried to annex trough ratlike behaviour in cyprus but that resulted in northern cyprus becoming its own independent state, since then greece continues on its path for pure irrelevance and insignificance, judging by the economy and demographics its basically impossible that greece could ever invade or annex any country.

But thats because greece choosed to be irrelevant, if greece had a higher population a different mindset which could have also given greece a more robust economy it would have acted differently.

Greece neither wants to invade nor dreams of extremist plans like Turkey with Mavi Vatan.
And this can be seen both from the governments it produces and from the opposition.
Political extremits parties, are either in prison or non-existent.
In Turkey, they are either in government or they plan to become a government.
Greece is making an ongoing effort to convert Greek-Turkish relations from relations of conflict into relations of cooperation. That is why Greece is extending a hand of friendship to Turkey, calling on the latter to cooperate – in the spirit of consensus and constructiveness befitting neighbours – on improving Greek-Turkish relations and ironing out tensions.
Now if Turkey wants tensions (like Evros at 2020) or militiray conflict, then it will get the appropriate answers in this field as well.

 

[Oublious]

Is not make sense Turkey to possess either red areas, because there are maritime delimitation agreements between Cyprus and three States(Egypt, Israel and Lebanon), all recognized as provided from the UN(the Law of the Sea).

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It is absolutely clear that from the point of view of international law, the Turkish claims around Cyprus are totally unfounded and unsupported either by customary and treaty law or by case law.

As regards the West Part, Turkey arbitrarily forgets the Greek islands and the rights they have under the Law of the Sea. The map you put is the ...... 4th of Turkey in 8 years. It generally changes the maps according to its moods as shown below.

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sorry but you should claim your theory to Italy. As you can see the island of greece doesn't work like east coast . Stop with your stories about international laws....

Against Libya you do use your island and not for italy.

 

[Akritas]

sorry but you should claim your theory to Italy. As you can see the island of greece doesn't work like east coast . Stop with your stories about international laws....

Against Libya you do use your island and not for italy.

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Of course it is. The demarcation was carried out on the basis of the median line, which is a key position of Greece and also Italy. The demarcation is simplified (using only 16 points) as was the custom when the continental shelf was delimited in 1977.
It is especially important that all of the islands in the area, including those that are uninhabited, have been taken into account in the delimitation.
The agreement explicitly refers to Article 58 of UNCLOS which regulates this specific zone. The boundary for the EEZ followed the existing delimitation for the continental shelf agreed in 1977.
First sign the UNLOS, and then criticized.

 

[Oublious]

Of course it is. The demarcation was carried out on the basis of the median line, which is a key position of Greece and also Italy. The demarcation is simplified (using only 16 points) as was the custom when the continental shelf was delimited in 1977.
It is especially important that all of the islands in the area, including those that are uninhabited, have been taken into account in the delimitation.
The agreement explicitly refers to Article 58 of UNCLOS which regulates this specific zone. The boundary for the EEZ followed the existing delimitation for the continental shelf agreed in 1977.
First sign the UNLOS, and then criticized.

Don't talk like you have any idea what you are talking about, the fact is you use different math in both case. Please spare you stories .

 

[GoatsMilk]

I think most reasonable who come at this from a neutral perspective can clearly see how outlandish the greek position is. Its something so crazy that only the greeks could have come up with.

I don't think any other peoples on earth could be so delusional and moronic in their demands.