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waste of time.
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Israeli newspapers have begun digging in and understood a EEZ deal with Turkey is more beneficial with Turkey than GC.
Imo the hindrance created by RTE is what prevents Israel from making a deal with Turkey. Regional strategic cooperation is more important than water territory and RTE has shown what animosity Turkish politicians can expose Israel to, thus unreliable. Perhaps on a level where only purging islam from politics can fix it after 50-100 years.
The day any energy from locations which are considered Mavi Vatan or KKTC's EEZ reaches either Israel, Egypt or Greece by a pipeline it will be basically over for any kind of "friendly" relationships with either Israel or Egypt.
You imply that Israel is irked by Erdogan as he has halted regional strategic cooperation with Israel.
Turkey should "purge Islam from politics" to please Israel and maybe fix relations in 50-100 years, but Israel can make deals with S.Cyprus and steal "water territory" from KKTC+Turkey in meanwhile ?
No, thank you.
Any of them cross into Mavi Vatan they'll be enemies until chasen out and fully respecting maritime borders of KKTC+Turkey.
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Turkey, Egypt make diplomatic-level contact: FM Çavuşoğlu
In addition to the ongoing communication both at the level of intelligence and foreign ministries with Cairo, Ankara says diplomatic contact aimed at...
Israel in talks with Turkey over East Med
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said his government is in contact with several countries, including Turkey, about natural gas in the eastern...
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AK party went out their way to destroy relations for no profit. These nations are most likely using Erdogan's desperation to gain more concessions from the greek side. The Israelis and Egyptions will say but the Turks are offering more, in which the greeks will say no problem boss we give it too because as greeks we bend when it concerns the Turks.
Its fascinating to watch how AK party supporters constantly support all this geopolitical failure. That's the problem when you mix religion and politics it creates a fatalistic approach to complicated and sensitive regional issues. Religion should only drive personal conviction, it shouldn't drive actual geopolitical decisions.
Whether you like the US or not, the reality is the more you provoke the US the more they will work against you. Its no good crying that they have done this, will do this or are doing that. Its a geopolitical reality that you up against a super power and must play the game accordingly. The USA has multiple decks of cards they can use against Turkey, while we have a poor hand. That doesnt mean you can't win, but it means its easy to lose.
Any fool knows that if you lose Israel then you lost America, the idea that you could destroy relations with Israel but still maintain good relations with the Americans is political islamist stupidity at its finest. You would think if any class of people know the true relation and connection between Isreal and the US, its the political islamist, but here we are.
Religion in politics for Turkey has been a constant loser for us.
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We shackle ourselves to stupid causes like the MB and Palestine.
Our mentality is basically fck the world while having that mentality of being a saviour.
Saviour mentality works with populist rehtoric.
Either our foreign policy is sitting like a mal, insulting everybody then acting like petty retards. Erdogan said his saddened because the Saudis did a exercise with the Greeks.
Lets not forget the words like Kandirildik.
Foreign policy is not a full on trainwreck thanks to the Turkish Armed forces despite them having their hands tied.
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Turkey has one way to win, to get on with everyone as best as possible and limit the harm that comes Turkeys way in order to buy Turkey time to develop her domestic military capabilities. Unless you have an Ataturk, Turks don't win with talks, just with fighting. Even then Ataturk had to win on the battlefield for his talks to be taken seriously.
Last year we saw partial success where the military fought. All that stops the Turkish military from winning bigger is domestic capabilities and political conviction to understand why the army is so cherished within the Turkish race. Like Ataturk said those nations that are willing to make the final sacrifice do not get beaten. A peoples/nation with this mindset have been blessed by Allah. If you don't have it you end up like the Syrians where most of the nation fled the battlefield. Not willing to defend the nation themselves by expecting the Turks to do it for them.
The last 2 decades so much time was wasted by the political islamists in Turkey, denouncing the Turkish state, the Turkish people and the symbols and historical figures of the Turks like Ataturk. Meanwhile they cucked the Turkish nation into falsely believing there was some big Islamic world out their that was waiting for the return of the Ottomans to embrace Turkish leadership.
Meanwhile the moment Turkey moved into syria to combat persian and pkk terrorists most of the muslim world supported the pkk and their american/russian/european backers against Turkey. When Turkey moved against the Kurdish separatists the Muslim world bar one or two nations like Pakistan/Azerbaijan ran to denounce Turkish actions.
In Libya Haftar an american cia agent who has sold every resource for peanuts to outside western/european/russian nations, is supported by the Muslim world meanwhile Turkey supporting the GNA is denounced by the same Muslim world.
Concerning the greek hostility towards Turkey we watch a number of Muslim states rushing to support her and hold joint military drills against Turkey.
The Muslim world loses because for the most part it has no sense of dignity or honour. What it has is absolute abundance is egotism and arrogance all desperate to be the leader of a sinking ship, instead of being humble and lowering their sense of self to repair the holes in the sinking ship. Hence why we see Muslim leaders building palaces, buy expensive cars and having 747 planes are personal transport.
To go back to your original point, when it comes to state decisions, you have to win. There can be no room for failure. They supported sides based on ideology instead of reality, hence why they keep losing.
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Political islamists and their failures would easily get them executed by the Ottomans.
They are too utopian they shat on race and ethnic identity thinking all we need to be is Muslim.
Look at that most of the Islamic world is against us apart from Qatar, Pakistan, Azerbaijan and Somalia.
We need start putting ourselves first. Enough with save the world and Ummah stuff.
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Turkey informs Greece, Israel and the European Union of the need to obtain permission from Ankara regarding activities affecting its continental shelf in the eastern Mediterranean
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Cairo may be looking to score tactical gains by using Ankara to regain its own value in the eyes of its partners
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi (Reuters)
Last month, Egypt announced a new oil-and-gas exploration bid round in the Eastern Mediterranean. It notably took into consideration the coordinates of the continental shelf as declared by Ankara, according to the 2019 agreement between Turkey and Libya, registered by the UN last October. Ankara thus understood the Egyptian move as a positive message.
And this was not the first message of its kind. Despite criticising the Turkey-Libya maritime agreement, Egypt’s foreign ministry raised eyebrows during the Rome conference in December 2019 by asserting that it "doesn’t harm Egypt’s interests" in the Eastern Mediterranean.
When Egypt signed a maritime delimitation agreement with Greece in August 2020, experts noted that the agreement took into consideration Turkey’s reservations on the maritime borders of the islands. According to Turkey’s foreign minister, the agreement supported the Turkish thesis that the islands do not have sovereign continental shelves.
Cairo has recently introduced changes to its Libya policy that have brought it closer to Ankara. In the face of new facts on the ground in the North African country after Ankara successfully turned the tide against renegade Libyan General Khalifa Haftar, Egypt took a number of steps, sending a high-ranking diplomatic and security delegation to Tripoli and announcing plans to reopen its embassy for the first time since 2014.
These messages didn’t go unnoticed in Ankara. On 3 March, Turkey’s top diplomat endorsed Cairo’s respect of his country’s maritime borders. Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu focused on the shared interests between the two countries and signalled Turkey’s readiness to negotiate and sign a maritime jurisdiction agreement with Egypt.
Three days later, Turkish Defence Minister Hulusi Akar got involved in the Egypt diplomacy when he stressed during the Blue Homeland 2021 tactical exercise that the two countries share historical and cultural values, hinting at the potential for new developments.
Presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin endorsed these statements when he told Bloomberg that “a new chapter can be opened … in our relationship with Egypt”. The fact that these messages are coming from the highest officials in the Turkish establishment reflects their seriousness.
On the regional level, Egypt was unhappy with the outcome of the recent Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) summit, as its supposed allies, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, neither coordinated with Cairo nor took its interests into consideration when they agreed to reconcile with Doha.
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman speaks at the GCC summit on 5 January 2021 (AFP)
The GCC reconciliation allows Turkey to strengthen its relations with Qatar, Kuwait and Oman while reaching a detente with Saudi Arabia and, to some extent, the UAE. In January, Egyptian officials had to listen to UAE officials express a desire to normalise relations with Turkey and to build on their mutual economic interests, while Egypt was on the brink of a collision with Turkey in Libya as a result of Emirati pressure.
Parallel to this, Greece and Turkey had their first official direct talks in five years on the standoff in the Eastern Mediterranean, while the UN prepared to convene a meeting to test whether a solution was possible to the Cyprus problem.
Cairo must have calculated that it would not be in its interests to remain anti-Turkey while its partners in the Gulf and the Eastern Mediterranean - mainly the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Greece, Israel and even France - were de-escalating with Ankara. This might explain why the diplomacy between Egypt and Turkey seems to have intensified lately.
A new Great Game has begun in the Eastern Mediterranean
Egypt has a similar issue with Turkey on the delimitation of maritime borders. Officials in Egypt’s foreign ministry and intelligence services have favoured a maritime deal with Turkey rather than Greece, as it grants Egypt a much bigger maritime area. But the Egyptian presidency agreed on a deal with Athens to secure some political gains, while not closing the door on Turkey - especially after the Emirati-Israeli accords, which harmed Egypt’s political, economic and strategic interests.
Aware of these facts and of Cairo’s geopolitical calculations, Ankara has been silently courting Egypt based on their common interests in the Eastern Mediterranean and Libya. Ankara’s carefully crafted messages are based on a win-win formula and the fact that cooperation with Turkey is in Cairo’s interests.
Indeed, in the pre-coronavirus period, Ankara offered many carrots to Cairo, increasing the volume of bilateral trade, investments and gas imports. Their economic relations have appeared immune to political fluctuations, rising over the last few years and crossing the $5bn threshold for the first time in 2018. Stability in Libya could boost this cooperation to unprecedented levels if Turkey and Egypt were to work together to rebuild Libya.
Still, the exchange of positive messages between Egypt and Turkey doesn’t mean their possible rapprochement won’t face challenges. It simply means that they are trying not to let disagreements on certain topics prevent them from working together on common interests.
Obviously, there will be spoilers who would prefer to see Turkey and Egypt clash rather than cooperate, in order to preserve their own influence. There is also the question of whether Egypt’s messages are genuine or not, given that unlike Ankara, its preference previously has been to work behind the scenes.
Either it wants to score tactical gains by using Ankara to regain its own value in the eyes of its partners (the UAE, Greece and Israel), or it aims to establish a delicate balance, keeping its options open with Turkey in order to secure maximum gains from all players.
This could explain why Cairo sometimes sends mixed or conflicting messages, as it wants to open up to Turkey without losing the support of the others. Either way, communicating with Turkey serves Egypt’s agenda.
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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi (Reuters)
Last month, Egypt announced a new oil-and-gas exploration bid round in the Eastern Mediterranean. It notably took into consideration the coordinates of the continental shelf as declared by Ankara, according to the 2019 agreement between Turkey and Libya, registered by the UN last October. Ankara thus understood the Egyptian move as a positive message.
And this was not the first message of its kind. Despite criticising the Turkey-Libya maritime agreement, Egypt’s foreign ministry raised eyebrows during the Rome conference in December 2019 by asserting that it "doesn’t harm Egypt’s interests" in the Eastern Mediterranean.
When Egypt signed a maritime delimitation agreement with Greece in August 2020, experts noted that the agreement took into consideration Turkey’s reservations on the maritime borders of the islands. According to Turkey’s foreign minister, the agreement supported the Turkish thesis that the islands do not have sovereign continental shelves.
Cairo has recently introduced changes to its Libya policy that have brought it closer to Ankara. In the face of new facts on the ground in the North African country after Ankara successfully turned the tide against renegade Libyan General Khalifa Haftar, Egypt took a number of steps, sending a high-ranking diplomatic and security delegation to Tripoli and announcing plans to reopen its embassy for the first time since 2014.
These messages didn’t go unnoticed in Ankara. On 3 March, Turkey’s top diplomat endorsed Cairo’s respect of his country’s maritime borders. Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu focused on the shared interests between the two countries and signalled Turkey’s readiness to negotiate and sign a maritime jurisdiction agreement with Egypt.
Three days later, Turkish Defence Minister Hulusi Akar got involved in the Egypt diplomacy when he stressed during the Blue Homeland 2021 tactical exercise that the two countries share historical and cultural values, hinting at the potential for new developments.
Presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin endorsed these statements when he told Bloomberg that “a new chapter can be opened … in our relationship with Egypt”. The fact that these messages are coming from the highest officials in the Turkish establishment reflects their seriousness.
Strengthening relations
The carefully crafted messages between the two countries respond not only to their common interests, but also to changing international and regional dynamics. US President Joe Biden’s victory in last year’s election pushed many regional countries, including Egypt and Turkey, to recalibrate their policies to accommodate the new administration.On the regional level, Egypt was unhappy with the outcome of the recent Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) summit, as its supposed allies, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, neither coordinated with Cairo nor took its interests into consideration when they agreed to reconcile with Doha.
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman speaks at the GCC summit on 5 January 2021 (AFP)
The GCC reconciliation allows Turkey to strengthen its relations with Qatar, Kuwait and Oman while reaching a detente with Saudi Arabia and, to some extent, the UAE. In January, Egyptian officials had to listen to UAE officials express a desire to normalise relations with Turkey and to build on their mutual economic interests, while Egypt was on the brink of a collision with Turkey in Libya as a result of Emirati pressure.
Parallel to this, Greece and Turkey had their first official direct talks in five years on the standoff in the Eastern Mediterranean, while the UN prepared to convene a meeting to test whether a solution was possible to the Cyprus problem.
Cairo must have calculated that it would not be in its interests to remain anti-Turkey while its partners in the Gulf and the Eastern Mediterranean - mainly the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Greece, Israel and even France - were de-escalating with Ankara. This might explain why the diplomacy between Egypt and Turkey seems to have intensified lately.
Maritime borders
For its part, Israel has been cautious about criticising Turkey’s stance in the Eastern Mediterranean. Tel Aviv is banking on the EastMed pipeline project to export gas to Europe. But given that the pipeline may never see the light of the day due to its extreme length (1,900 kilometres), cost (around $7bn) and route through Turkey’s claimed territory - which means that Ankara could block it - Israel will likely keep its options open with Turkey, as it would be the only alternative route.
A new Great Game has begun in the Eastern Mediterranean
Egypt has a similar issue with Turkey on the delimitation of maritime borders. Officials in Egypt’s foreign ministry and intelligence services have favoured a maritime deal with Turkey rather than Greece, as it grants Egypt a much bigger maritime area. But the Egyptian presidency agreed on a deal with Athens to secure some political gains, while not closing the door on Turkey - especially after the Emirati-Israeli accords, which harmed Egypt’s political, economic and strategic interests.
Aware of these facts and of Cairo’s geopolitical calculations, Ankara has been silently courting Egypt based on their common interests in the Eastern Mediterranean and Libya. Ankara’s carefully crafted messages are based on a win-win formula and the fact that cooperation with Turkey is in Cairo’s interests.
Indeed, in the pre-coronavirus period, Ankara offered many carrots to Cairo, increasing the volume of bilateral trade, investments and gas imports. Their economic relations have appeared immune to political fluctuations, rising over the last few years and crossing the $5bn threshold for the first time in 2018. Stability in Libya could boost this cooperation to unprecedented levels if Turkey and Egypt were to work together to rebuild Libya.
Lending a hand
Politically, Turkey has a vital interest in keeping Egypt from being held hostage to other states that want to use it as a shield in their own battles with Turkey - mainly the UAE and Greece. In this sense, Ankara lends itself a hand by opening up to Egypt, and the same can be said about Cairo vis-a-vis Turkey.Still, the exchange of positive messages between Egypt and Turkey doesn’t mean their possible rapprochement won’t face challenges. It simply means that they are trying not to let disagreements on certain topics prevent them from working together on common interests.
Obviously, there will be spoilers who would prefer to see Turkey and Egypt clash rather than cooperate, in order to preserve their own influence. There is also the question of whether Egypt’s messages are genuine or not, given that unlike Ankara, its preference previously has been to work behind the scenes.
Either it wants to score tactical gains by using Ankara to regain its own value in the eyes of its partners (the UAE, Greece and Israel), or it aims to establish a delicate balance, keeping its options open with Turkey in order to secure maximum gains from all players.
This could explain why Cairo sometimes sends mixed or conflicting messages, as it wants to open up to Turkey without losing the support of the others. Either way, communicating with Turkey serves Egypt’s agenda.
Turkey-Egypt relations: What's behind their new diplomatic push?
Cairo may be looking to score tactical gains by using Ankara to regain its own value in the eyes of its partners
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I just noticed some thing. When i saw this "diplomatic note" i did a search on the last hour.
Apart from DailySabah, AA, Anews (Erdogan mouth piece media). I saw Ahval and Alarabiya. So, clicked them also.
It appears that Erdogan banned those sites in Turkey as they do not open. So sad to see that one man can deprive Turkish people of their right to reach information which should have been protected by Turkish Constitution. Turkey is turning into North Korea.
Apart from DailySabah, AA, Anews (Erdogan mouth piece media). I saw Ahval and Alarabiya. So, clicked them also.
It appears that Erdogan banned those sites in Turkey as they do not open. So sad to see that one man can deprive Turkish people of their right to reach information which should have been protected by Turkish Constitution. Turkey is turning into North Korea.
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My personal opinion as long as it is done within the frame of law procedures(proving their link to terrorism) it is alright to ban these.
I am not talking about Alarabiya btw, I dont know about it. I am talking about that Gulenist media: Ahval.
I dont know if any jurisdical procedure was followed but we all know they are Gulens media after all and their whole purpose is to demonize Turkey or misinform foreigners about Turkey.
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Bro, that is your personal opinion. Another personal opinion can be "shut all the media except A haber".
I advice you to read our constitution.
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Opera browser with VPN can kneel down all media oppression. That's why information technologies more dangerous than nukes.
