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Asena_great

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Not a toy for teenage racist circlejerk.
i need to claim that my race is superior to some other races in order to become racist and here i thought " Law is a serious matter " of all that

i showed you the fact that how PKK terrorist using Bureaucracy of turkish state to gain to the recourse of the state and then distribute it to the PKK i showed to you that how PKK terrorist organization is made of 5 branches and each branch doing its part in order to get to the final end which is to break apart turkey. i showed to you how they rise in 3 different political parties and then used their position in order to created troubles which fixed during handek operations with around 750 martyred soldiers and all you have is what ?? " you are low IQ and i am a racist " ?? let me tell you something germany has anti nazi law that in which if they face with threat of nazism again the normal law for the suspected citizen is suspended and they will be treated by anti nazi laws which was something smilar to what i said about PKK and their families. still you didnt answer my question why are you triggered ?? do you have PKKli relative ??

its funny when you are trying to enter the government and you have fetöcu brother people react hasher then when you have PKK brother while both should be same
 

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Anayasa m.38/7: "Ceza sorumluluğu şahsîdir.”

TCK m.20/1: ”Ceza sorumluluğu şahsidir. Kimse başkasının fiilinden dolayı sorumlu tutulamaz.”
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Individuality of criminal responsibility is one of the most basic and important principles of law. Humanity has come to this understanding as a result of thousands of years of experience and scholarly work.

There's not a single law system in modern world that punishes families for crimes of an individual since the world is not being ruled based on kahve muhabbeti.

Anyways, it is pointless to argue on this as it's not a matter of discussion for any serious and sane person with an average IQ.

@Asena_great when it comes to your question, I feel ashamed to see Turkish youth making such ignorant comments -openly contradicting Turkish constitution- with such certainty, on the areas that require expertise. Law is a serious matter. Not a toy for teenage racist circlejerk.
bro what the hell u telling ! We all know the law that criminality is personal but there are others laws than punish the persons who have connections with them . For example if someone kills and u take him in your home to hide than u aslo are part of crime under law that u supported him in one way or another and thats crime so no need to give lesson us for laws .
 

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We all know the law that criminality is personal but there are others laws than punish the persons who have connections with them .
I'm not sure you all know about that as @CAN_TR clearly suggested "punish the whole family" as a form of collective punishment.

@CAN_TR do you agree criminality is personal or not? @BalkanTurk90 says it's personal and you suggest punishment of whole family.

You can discuss about it among yourselves.
 
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i need to claim that my race is superior to some other races in order to become racist and here i thought " Law is a serious matter " of all that

i showed you the fact that how PKK terrorist using Bureaucracy of turkish state to gain to the recourse of the state and then distribute it to the PKK i showed to you that how PKK terrorist organization is made of 5 branches and each branch doing its part in order to get to the final end which is to break apart turkey. i showed to you how they rise in 3 different political parties and then used their position in order to created troubles which fixed during handek operations with around 750 martyred soldiers and all you have is what ?? " you are low IQ and i am a racist " ?? let me tell you something germany has anti nazi law that in which if they face with threat of nazism again the normal law for the suspected citizen is suspended and they will be treated by anti nazi laws which was something smilar to what i said about PKK and their families. still you didnt answer my question why are you triggered ?? do you have PKKli relative ??

its funny when you are trying to enter the government and you have fetöcu brother people react hasher then when you have PKK brother while both should be same
No, you don't need to claim your race is superior to be a racist. Go check the definition. Still, I wasn't calling you racist in particular so no worries.

None of the things PKK try to do changes the very basic nature of law. You can't punish someone that hasn't committed a crime. Simple as that. What is so hard to understand about it?

I already responded your question. Seeing bold ignorance triggers me especially from Turkish youth.

If you want to discuss this topic further, read "An Introduction to Law" from Rona Aybay and text back to me.

That's the end of this discussion from my part.
 

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No, you don't need to claim your race is superior to be a racist. Go check the definition. Still, I wasn't calling you racist in particular so no worries.

None of the things PKK try to do changes the very basic nature of law. You can't punish someone that hasn't committed a crime. Simple as that. What is so hard to understand about it?

I already responded your question. Seeing bold ignorance triggers me especially from Turkish youth.

If you want to discuss this topic further, read "An Introduction to Law" from Rona Aybay and text back to me.

That's the end of this discussion from my part.
Nobody forces these people to support the pkk, they do it out of their own free will. Why? Because there are no consequences. They wouldnt shed a tear if you were to die in a suicide bombing, you would simply be a necessary cost for them to further their political goals.

So not only do they not care about your life, they actively encourage the taking of it by pkk terrorists. But I guess as long as they only funded the bullets and explosives and didnt pull the trigger themselves, its fine.
 
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No, you don't need to claim your race is superior to be a racist. Go check the definition. Still, I wasn't calling you racist in particular so no worries.

None of the things PKK try to do changes the very basic nature of law. You can't punish someone that hasn't committed a crime. Simple as that. What is so hard to understand about it?

I already responded your question. Seeing bold ignorance triggers me especially from Turkish youth.

If you want to discuss this topic further, read "An Introduction to Law" from Rona Aybay and text back to me.

That's the end of this discussion from my part.
and i repeat my self again all i want is the same anti Nazi law Germany have for PKK and Fetö

They wouldnt shed a tear if you were to die in a suicide bombing, you would simply be a necessary cost for them to further their political goals.
he will only understand that when he is left for dead bleeding in mountain until then he plays his part
 

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Infantry Specialist Sergeant Muhammed Emin ONK succumbed to his injuries after an IED hit him on 3th August in the Claw-Lock area of operations. May Allah accept his martyrdom!

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Serdar Yektas, spokesman for the terrorist organization PKK, gave an interview to Al-Monitor about the ongoing conflict with Turkiye. First, he answered questions about the tunnels.

They decided to further expand the caves they were living in after the Hammer and Dawn operations in 1997. In other words, the organization's tunnel strategy started 27 years ago.

Following the operations of the Turkish Armed Forces, they made continuous improvements on the tunnels.

They have made the tunnels operable without any problems over time, such as ventilation, heating, meeting water needs, etc. The organization's spokesperson Yektas also states that there is internet in the tunnel he is currently in and that there is an electric heater next to him.

He says that the tunnels are kilometers long and that they have built apartment life style inside the tunnels. He states that they have everything, such as toilets, bathrooms, kitchens, meeting rooms, etc.

He says that the tunnels protect against air operations carried out by the Turkish Armed Forces and that even if Turkiye detects their location, there is nothing it can do. He even says that sometimes they do not sense the air operations carried out and that they learn from terrorists in other areas.

He says they use kamikaze UAVs to target TSK bases and loitering munitions to shoot down Turkish UAVs. When asked whether they received support from Iran on how these were produced, he says, "We do not share such information."

As for Turkiye's territory, he still says that the main human resources come from Turkiye, without giving a percentage. Approximately %80~ of the PKK cadres come from Turkiye.

The question is asked whether their activities in Turkiye have decreased and the war has started in Turkiye.

He says that since they do not have tunnels in Turkiye and cannot create tunnels - and they do not have area control - they have decided to reduce their forces in Turkiye and not to send new reinforcements.

So he screwed up in this statement. Among those killed previously Sırnak not long ago there was a terrorist who had just come to Turkiye. In recent days, 4 of them died while trying to infiltrate with a paramotor. In recent years, there were terrorists who entered from Iran and were stopped while advancing trough the east of Turkiye.

Since the main war and aim of the PKK is in Turkiye, they can never take the military decision to withdraw from Turkiye. Imagine that: Your main power is from Turkiye, your cause is centered in Turkiye, your leadership cadre was born in Turkiye, your biggest supporters are in Turkiye. You do not have an option like "I will reduce my forces here".

He also admitted that the main center of the Turkiye-PKK conflict had moved from Turkiye to Iraq. This was one of Turkiye's main goals with the Claw operations.

The PKK spokesman's interview ends like this:

"Our aim by opening these tunnels is not to destroy or divide the Turkish state. We are one society. These lands are ours. Whether it is in the Kurdish lands in Turkiye or elsewhere, our only wish is to live freely. This is what our struggle is for."


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"Our aim by opening these tunnels is not to destroy or divide the Turkish state. We are one society. These lands are ours. Whether it is in the Kurdish lands in Turkiye or elsewhere, our only wish is to live freely. This is what our struggle is for."
"Southeast is ours, rest is everyone's"

They think they are losing on the battlefield but winning at the table. Reminds me of late ottoman christian minorities. Decisive action must be taken in order to avoid another Balkan catastrophe.
 

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The operations are continuing and there is not so much to report. We have the routine activities and airstrikes.

An important development is the targeting of 2 vehicle PKK convoy in the vicinity of Suleymaniye. According to the initial information we got, there are 2 dead and more wounded.

It was thought that pro-PKK media was going to conduct an interview with a high ranking PKK target. In result an operation against the predetermined targets was launched.

One vehicle was hit on the spot, killing the journalists Hero Bahadin and Gulistan Tara on the spot, heavily injuring a journalist named as Rebin. According to the information we got, there are 6 more injured. The killed journalists were reporters for Sterk TV, ANF and Roj TV (pro-PKK media). There was a second vehicle which miraculously was not directly hit.

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It is important to note that brothers of Gulistan Tara were the DEM Party Batman provincial chairman M. Mesut Tekik and former deputy mayor A. Bulent Tekik. Bulent Tekik was expelled from the municipality by a statutory decree in 2017.
 

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Gotta say, i was actually surprised this didn't make worldwide news. Missing the other car is not good optics. hoping for the next time.
 

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Another Turkish UAV is shot down. I wrote shot down because it has clear shrapnel damage on the wing in the second photo.


According to Iraqi sources, the Armed Forces of Iraq shot down the UAV. The UAV is Aksungur. 4 ground to air missiles are fired to shoot down the Aksungur UAV.

The reason is to sabotage the Turkiye, Iraq, Qatar, and UAE meeting that is happening today in Turkiye. The meeting is about a trade route that will pass through Iraq and Turkiye. Qatar and UAE is willing to provide financial aid for the project. I think the usual suspect is Iranian assets inside the Armed Forces of Iraq.
 
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Another Aksungur down, bringing the number to 3 in the last year. No matter the politics with Iraqi army being fractured and it being strengthened with modern SAMs and aircraft from Korea and France, it is possible we will see similar events repeat in the future.
 

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Another Aksungur down, bringing the number to 3 in the last year. No matter the politics with Iraqi army being fractured and it being strengthened with modern SAMs and aircraft from Korea and France, it is possible we will see similar events repeat in the future.
What is more saddening that the downing itself, is that the whole event affects profile and fame of Turkish UAVs. I can't really accept it calmly when those UAVs are downed by some junk Pantsirs just because those were not the targets.
 

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The Iraqi side confirms that Turkiye informed Iraq about the operations of the Aksungur UAV.

Turkiye should immediately demand that the MoD of Iraq launch a probe and suspend those officers who gave the order. Turkiye should inform Iraq MoD that the next hostility will result in Turkish forces hitting the hostile forces unless they comply with this request.
 

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I guess this is the answer from so called Axis of Resist in regards of Haniye murder.
Hiding like a little bitc. otherwise.
I don't know what those economical agreements bring to Turkiye .
Of possible, the best way forward is to minimise any contact with any so called Islamic country.
Oh yes , throw millions of Syrians to Iraq and Iran .
 

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Delegations from Iraq, the UAE and Qatar foreign ministries were to come to Istanbul today for consultations on the Iraq-Turkiye-Europe Development Road Project. Let's look at the situation from this perspective.

While the Iraqi central government signed a cooperation agreement against terrorism and exact day of foreign affairs delegation went to Turkiye to sign a framework agreement for the most important infrastructure investment in the country's history, a brigade commander whose faction is unknown, shoots down the UAV of the military force that will litterally be responsible for the security of this logistics line. This logistics line will be the lifeblood of Iraq and this project can only survive with the TAF. For Iraq goverment this incident no different than shooting oneself in the foot.

Unfortunately, we are dealing with a failed state, and most of the issues related to this failed state structure are like walking through a minefield.
 
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