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Killing the dude who gave the order and destroying a couple Pantsir would be a proper answer...
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It wont happen as Tayyip Bey literally took out visa requirements for Iraqis entering Turkiye.
Turkiye is run by a bunch of traitorous cucks.
You know things are bad when two failed states Iraq and Syria are getting bold and attacking Turkish interests.
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Need something like trophy developed for uav, something like SARP with 40 mm ATOM but something much bigger that creates sheild protecting drone.
Most of the uavs of Turkish army do not carry SAR payload,so they sometimes fly under cloud for observation,and this lead to low altitute mission and bring risk of being detected,targeted finally shot down.Akıncı and Aksungur uavs are not cheap,we have make some self defence system for them.
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What we need is Turkish Global Hawk :UAV capable of flying above 60.000 altitude , an altitude happens to be above maximum altitude of many SAMs yet none in armed forces/TAI/BAYKAR seems to understand importance of this type of UAV. 
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What we need is Turkish Global Hawk :UAV capable of flying above 60.000 altitude , an altitude happens to be above maximum altitude of many SAMs yet none in armed forces/TAI/BAYKAR seems to understand importance of this type of UAV.
Yes but for that we need a suitable engine. For now we don’t have it. Maybe the TF-6000 in the future. We should design something like a bigger Anka, and then putting a TF-6000 in it. And voila.
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There's really no self defence system for drones like these except for DIRCM and actual lasers. Chaff and flare is used in conjunction with defensive flying. Aksungur or any other MALE drone cannot fly defensively. A simple barrel roll is not a defensive maneuver as well. DIRCM and lasers are expensive and use a lot of power, something Aksungur doesn't have with its two diesel engines. So you either don't fly them over contested areas, or accept the possible losses. This instance is of course unprecedented, as the area was more than likely deemed safe prior.
It is too soon to talk about this. With what's available, I'm leaning towards Iraqi central government trying to set some boundaries re its defence agreements with Turkey, especially re Kirkuk. Person who announced the action is an Iraqi general from the air defence command, with no known direct links to PMF or Iran. From an outside perspective, Iraq accepts Turkey's COIN operations in the north, as they are mostly powerless there anyhow, but they have been trying to rein in cities in the north(with our help in some cases) for the last 2 or so years. When we strike our targets in Iraqi cities, this also hurts the government's sovereignty.
Or, this is just Iranian elements in the army forcing their way and create a low trust situation between Turkey and Iraq. If that is the case, it would mean Iraqi military is even more fractured than previously thought post 2018, and the possibility of the Development Road going through to finish line just seems like a fool's errand. We simply lack the tools to handle Iran in Iraq.
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This is a clear sabotage to the improving Iraqi-Turkish relations.
What we saw is again a shame. The SAM system that shot down the drone had to be taken out. When I talk about deterrence I talk about this. All enemy militias and armed forces are harassing the Turkish Armed Forces without appropriate response. There is no respect left for the TSK in our backyard.
Lets put away the deterrence point aside for a bit and think about the combat and economy part of the situation. If you research how many Aksungur drones were shot down or fell in the last 6 month and you make the calculation I am sure you will be shocked. And how many Aksungur drones are left in the inventory? A tear comes to my eye.
There are certainly two parts of the Iraqi establishment fighting right now. One of them is the part that thinks about Iraq's interests first and the second is thinking of how we can sabotage the positive Turkish-Iraqi initiative for the Iranian interests.
I will ask an important question below.
We know that the Bashiqa base will be operated by Iraq and there will be a joint Turkish-Iraqi team taking care of training of local forces. We also know that there will be a joint counter-terrorism center in Baghdad. If such an event occurs in future involving the Iraqi Armed Forces (as it already happened) or an Iraqi militia (already happened) and we are forced to give the necessary response, then what's the plan? Who is going to take care of our military personnel in these places?
So the UAV was operating above Suleymaniye (a PUK-PKK-Iran stronghold), striking targets in Cemcemal. We previously killed multiple PKK terrorists including Iranians in this area or in close proximity to this area. The UCAV was shot down over Kirkuk which has a significant Turkmen population and recent internal political tensions. So how is this going to continue? For this economy project to proceed we should be cleaning PKK from Gara and Sinjar and we can not make it otherwise. How we should do it while there are people inside the Iraqi Government that are trying everything possible to prevent this project from happening?
Iraqi MP Ali Bandawi:
"The shooting down of the Turkish UAV in Kirkuk was a strong message to the international coalition forces and Turkiye.
Turkiye must immediately end its violations of Iraqi airspace."
So this was a message... Well, the last time we gave you a message 2 Iraqi generals were roasted while they were in a meeting with PKK terrorists. I am not sure if this is the best messaging procedure available especially right now. We also have our cards that we can play and believe me that one of the keys to your imaginable "sovereignty" is crossing trough Turkiye and if needed the whole region will burn together with you 30 more years. Come to your senses and take the hand of friendship that is extended by Turkiye. The ones that gave the order for this UCAV to be shot down will bring only misfortune for your future generations. Be smart!
Meanwhile the determination of the TSK in its areas of operation is full. We established new bases and control points in critical places and this winter is expected to continue without serious problems. PKK's logistics resupply capability is heavily hit and they will most probably not be able to resupply their tunnel networks within the operation Claw-Lock area anymore. They are in panic right now and this is proven by the recent attempt of high ranking leader to run from the Sida tunnel where he was neutralized. I also see the recent appointments of commanders in units concerning the counter-terrorism operations as very positive. The appointments are special forces service heavy so we expect to see TSK continuing to adapt its tactics and make unexpected moves with an operation style different than before, just as we saw during the recent operations in Metina where we managed to do what we had to do with a minimal casualties and a shocked enemy that couldn't comprehend what is happening.
Almost every night a TSK resupply is continuing to flow trough Amediye going East. New base areas are reinforced and with the last delivery there was a tank reinforcement.
Don't think that there is no activity because we don't report it. The operations are going full speed, it is just that most of the developments are routine and it's not worth reporting.
What we saw is again a shame. The SAM system that shot down the drone had to be taken out. When I talk about deterrence I talk about this. All enemy militias and armed forces are harassing the Turkish Armed Forces without appropriate response. There is no respect left for the TSK in our backyard.
Lets put away the deterrence point aside for a bit and think about the combat and economy part of the situation. If you research how many Aksungur drones were shot down or fell in the last 6 month and you make the calculation I am sure you will be shocked. And how many Aksungur drones are left in the inventory? A tear comes to my eye.
There are certainly two parts of the Iraqi establishment fighting right now. One of them is the part that thinks about Iraq's interests first and the second is thinking of how we can sabotage the positive Turkish-Iraqi initiative for the Iranian interests.
I will ask an important question below.
We know that the Bashiqa base will be operated by Iraq and there will be a joint Turkish-Iraqi team taking care of training of local forces. We also know that there will be a joint counter-terrorism center in Baghdad. If such an event occurs in future involving the Iraqi Armed Forces (as it already happened) or an Iraqi militia (already happened) and we are forced to give the necessary response, then what's the plan? Who is going to take care of our military personnel in these places?
So the UAV was operating above Suleymaniye (a PUK-PKK-Iran stronghold), striking targets in Cemcemal. We previously killed multiple PKK terrorists including Iranians in this area or in close proximity to this area. The UCAV was shot down over Kirkuk which has a significant Turkmen population and recent internal political tensions. So how is this going to continue? For this economy project to proceed we should be cleaning PKK from Gara and Sinjar and we can not make it otherwise. How we should do it while there are people inside the Iraqi Government that are trying everything possible to prevent this project from happening?
Iraqi MP Ali Bandawi:
"The shooting down of the Turkish UAV in Kirkuk was a strong message to the international coalition forces and Turkiye.
Turkiye must immediately end its violations of Iraqi airspace."
So this was a message... Well, the last time we gave you a message 2 Iraqi generals were roasted while they were in a meeting with PKK terrorists. I am not sure if this is the best messaging procedure available especially right now. We also have our cards that we can play and believe me that one of the keys to your imaginable "sovereignty" is crossing trough Turkiye and if needed the whole region will burn together with you 30 more years. Come to your senses and take the hand of friendship that is extended by Turkiye. The ones that gave the order for this UCAV to be shot down will bring only misfortune for your future generations. Be smart!
Meanwhile the determination of the TSK in its areas of operation is full. We established new bases and control points in critical places and this winter is expected to continue without serious problems. PKK's logistics resupply capability is heavily hit and they will most probably not be able to resupply their tunnel networks within the operation Claw-Lock area anymore. They are in panic right now and this is proven by the recent attempt of high ranking leader to run from the Sida tunnel where he was neutralized. I also see the recent appointments of commanders in units concerning the counter-terrorism operations as very positive. The appointments are special forces service heavy so we expect to see TSK continuing to adapt its tactics and make unexpected moves with an operation style different than before, just as we saw during the recent operations in Metina where we managed to do what we had to do with a minimal casualties and a shocked enemy that couldn't comprehend what is happening.
Almost every night a TSK resupply is continuing to flow trough Amediye going East. New base areas are reinforced and with the last delivery there was a tank reinforcement.
Don't think that there is no activity because we don't report it. The operations are going full speed, it is just that most of the developments are routine and it's not worth reporting.
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Official statement is that they "identified the UAV as unknown" and only later they realised it was Turkish.
But how can you trust Iraqis who are being controlled by the mullahs in Iran...
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MİT neutralized the terrorists Bahar Akyol and Nurbahar Karadağlı, who prepared the handmade explosives used by the terrorist organization PKK/KCK in their attacks, in Hakurk in northern Iraq.
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Per Levent Kemal, yesterday's big man was apprehended and will be brought forward to a military court.
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The general in question is reportedly arrested and being taken to Baghdad. If true!
A compensation needs to be paid in one form or another.
A compensation needs to be paid in one form or another.
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"No such thing", clarifies Levent Kemal.
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I am very worried, I am afraid that there will be a war between the ethnic groups.
At the moment Turkey knows what foreign countries want, the best example is the sponsorship of the PKK/YPG by the USA and Europe and the active/passive support of the PKK/YPG on the ground by Iran and Israel, because it benefits them.
They are doing everything they can to drive the Kurdish/Turkish population in Turkey and abroad into conflict and into a wedge in the form of a civil war both at home and abroad.
They are waiting for a big short circuit, either through a massacre of Turkish/Kurdish citizens by the PKK/YPG on Turkish soil or for Turkish soldiers with false information to bomb some village in Southeast Anatolia on the border, killing Turkish/Kurdish innocent citizens again, so that these terrorists can then go vote-catching in Southeast Anatolia through the HDP/YYP.
They don't give a damn about the Kurdish Turkish citizens, they oppressed and betrayed you back then, and they will do it again today. This is how the HDP/YYP works, with the ammunition that is supplied to them politically, which they use to manipulate the population, and the HDP/YYP is in turn financed and controlled from abroad.
This is what I am most afraid of: that these agents and middlemen could at some point ignite a conflagration in southeastern Turkey through false information and false flag operations.
I have said several times that I am of Kurdish-Turkish descent and know very well how manipulative the terrorist organization and its official political parties are - they are well structured.
Turkey must be protected from this at all costs, otherwise they will poison the entire population.
At the moment Turkey knows what foreign countries want, the best example is the sponsorship of the PKK/YPG by the USA and Europe and the active/passive support of the PKK/YPG on the ground by Iran and Israel, because it benefits them.
They are doing everything they can to drive the Kurdish/Turkish population in Turkey and abroad into conflict and into a wedge in the form of a civil war both at home and abroad.
They are waiting for a big short circuit, either through a massacre of Turkish/Kurdish citizens by the PKK/YPG on Turkish soil or for Turkish soldiers with false information to bomb some village in Southeast Anatolia on the border, killing Turkish/Kurdish innocent citizens again, so that these terrorists can then go vote-catching in Southeast Anatolia through the HDP/YYP.
They don't give a damn about the Kurdish Turkish citizens, they oppressed and betrayed you back then, and they will do it again today. This is how the HDP/YYP works, with the ammunition that is supplied to them politically, which they use to manipulate the population, and the HDP/YYP is in turn financed and controlled from abroad.
This is what I am most afraid of: that these agents and middlemen could at some point ignite a conflagration in southeastern Turkey through false information and false flag operations.
I have said several times that I am of Kurdish-Turkish descent and know very well how manipulative the terrorist organization and its official political parties are - they are well structured.
Turkey must be protected from this at all costs, otherwise they will poison the entire population.
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