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Israeli will not attack Turkish soldiers in Syria,
They 100% will do so if they want to because they wanna that when shit hits the fan, the US will come and protect them
The only problem is that the Turks, unlike the Iranians and other third rate arab countries, will respond heavily and even if Israel got what it wants, the sacrifice it will pay will be great

That is why they dont want Turkey to expand. Israel has no problem with the UAE, KSA, Russia, Iran, and many other nations expanding in the region as Israel knows that the expense the Israelis will pay to counter their rising influence wont be as enormous and painful as when it comes to Turks and sometimes the Egyptians as well
 

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When we look at erdogans history, his general behaviour is to speak heavily against those he's doing business with behind the scenes. For example, there was a time when Turkiye and Iran were trading barbs, even war talk. Later on it turned out that during this period erdogan was helping iran evade her sanctions.

When it comes to Russia and Putin for the most part he's only ever said positive things about Russia and Putin, yet in some capacity he's militarily deployed against russia in multiple theatres.

So when you see him speaking so heavily against Isreal and receiving little to no repercussions for it, to me a deception is taking place. Azerbaijan has a critical relationship with Isreal, Turkiye like wise has a critical relationship with Azerbaijan. If erdogan was truly against Isreal he would create pressure on Azerbaijan to severe that cord, yet zero pressure has been applied. His war of words with Isreal is probably just a smokescreen, fake.

Because when you look at what transpired in Syria, Assad, Iran and Russia all lost. However, Isreal after Assads fall basically decimated the entire military capacity of Syria. For months they had a free hand to destroy everything in Syria, nearly her entire arsenal. So in essence they also won heavily with Assads fall.

If erdogan was truly against Isreal, he wouldn't have allowed Isreal to destroy the entire military capacity of Syria before doing something. A plan would have been made to instantly deploy many troops to the south of syria.
 

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They 100% will do so if they want to because they wanna that when shit hits the fan, the US will come and protect them
The only problem is that the Turks, unlike the Iranians and other third rate arab countries, will respond heavily and even if Israel got what it wants, the sacrifice it will pay will be great

That is why they dont want Turkey to expand. Israel has no problem with the UAE, KSA, Russia, Iran, and many other nations expanding in the region as Israel knows that the expense the Israelis will pay to counter their rising influence wont be as enormous and painful as when it comes to Turks and sometimes the Egyptians as well
Whilst I agree that Israel is wrong to mess with Turks, they currently have a big advantage in air warfare. Going in so deep into Syria is a mistake imo.

Until Kızılelma, or better yet KAAN is ready and in the inventory in good numbers, Israel will have a qualitative edge in the air. This advantage just increases the closer you get to Israeli borders.

If Israel decides to attack, there's little that Türkiye can do in return without deploying considerable assets, we're talking about a full on war.

I bet this is what Erdoğan wants just to stay in power. Even if shit hits the fan, he'll be able to distract the population from internal problems, just like what Iran has been doing for decades.

I don't have faith in this government, or any Islamist entity that claims to want to counter Israel. If you want to beat Israel you need to beat them at their own game, have air superiority, be a more educated, more serious country than them. You can't just brute force them like the Axis or Arabs tried.

Iran was everywhere across Syria, Lebanon and had its fingers all the way into Palestine. We seen how that ended. I'm sorry to say but from the outside, Türkiye looks like it's falling into the same trap.

If tomorrow Israel decides to attack, and Türkiye does an Iranian style "retaliation", all you Islamists on here need to answer some bloody questions.
 

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If a layered air defence network is deployed deep in Syria, I can see the advantage of it creating a "wall" against Israel air incursions.

It's mainly the timing, lack of support for Turkmens and peace deal will PKK/YPG which concerns me. Between the Turkish border and the air defence bases, there is a lot of potential terrorists that could turn on TSK.

TSK should've gone all out on northern Syria and divided the country Cyprus style. Create a Turkmen zone in the north. But instead it's using the religious card which is just stupid, even worse because PKK is part of it now too.

Using Islam for influence seems like an easy way to gain control but it's counterproductive. Syria will be open to Saudi and UAE interference, won't go anywhere in terms of education and development, will be breeding ground for jihadists. Having "control" over it seems more like a burden than anything else. Taking a large portion of the north and making a Turkmen state is a much better plan in the long term.
 
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If a layered air defence network is deployed deep in Syria, I can see the advantage of it creating a "wall" against Israel air incursions.

It's mainly the timing, lack of support for Turkmens and peace deal will PKK/YPG which concerns me. Between the Turkish border and the air defence bases, there is a lot of potential terrorists that could turn on TSK.

TSK should've gone all out on northern Syria and divided the country Cyprus style. Create a Turkmen zone in the north. But instead it's using the religious card which is just stupid, even worse because PKK is part of it now too.

Using Islam for influence seems like an easy way to gain control but it's counterproductive. Syria will be open to Saudi and UAE interference, won't go anywhere in terms of education and development, will be breeding ground for jihadists. Having "control" over it seems more like a burden than anything else. Taking a large portion of the north and making a Turkmen state is a much better plan in the long term.

And we have precedent on how pandering to Islam and it's "ummah" ends for Turks in the region.
 

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Israel is a de-stabilizing factor in our region. Attacking all neighbors around them and now focusing on Iran, to break out a big war.
Just watching them from the sidelines is in-acceptable
Look, no Arab country wants to fight Israel over Gaza. Why should we, non-Arabs? Who are we to be hostile to America, which stands behind Israel?
You probably know about the Abraham Accords. This is an agreement between Israel and Arab countries like the UAE, Saudi Arabia and others. All these Arab countries cooperate with the US on security issues! Don't they see that the Americans stand behind Israel?! They see it, and yet...
So why should we (Azerbaijan) be hostile to Israel over Gaza, forgotten by Allah? Why should we be, as they say, more Catholic than the Pope?
And yet, in all UN votes, we invariably support Palestine along with 57 Muslim states.
The Arab-Israeli problem is not our problem. Even the superpowers cannot (most likely do not want to) solve it. Why should we, a small state with its own problems, get involved in someone else's thousand-year-old problem and feud with someone over someone?
Even a newcomer to foreign policy, the new leader of Syria, Ahmed al-Shara, understands and, it seems, approves of our position. Yesterday, he sent Aliyev a letter congratulating him on the Ramadan holiday: "Mr. President, dear brother!" etc. etc.

Our foreign policy has been tested for decades. Over 34 years of independence, not a single government has considered it necessary to change it even by an iota. Simply put, it is:
1. alliance with Turkey;
2. distancing ourselves from Russia and Iran;
3. hostility with Armenia;
4. friendship with Georgia.
 
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Whilst I agree that Israel is wrong to mess with Turks, they currently have a big advantage in air warfare. Going in so deep into Syria is a mistake imo.
You gave the answer to this post during your previous comments

In your previous post, you clearly stated why Turkey needs to delve deep into Syria and take the T4 airbase and that is to prevent the Israeli/Druze-PKK route from forming and that is exactly why the TAF wants Palmyra and that is why Israel wanna prevent them from doing so by conducting airstrikes
Until Kızılelma, or better yet KAAN is ready and in the inventory in good numbers, Israel will have a qualitative edge in the air. This advantage just increases the closer you get to Israeli borders.

If Israel decides to attack, there's little that Türkiye can do in return without deploying considerable assets, we're talking about a full on war.
So should Turkey watch while Israel creates a corridor to refinance amd resupply the PKK as well as invade Damascus to create a new refugee wave?
I bet this is what Erdoğan wants just to stay in power. Even if shit hits the fan, he'll be able to distract the population from internal problems, just like what Iran has been doing for decades.

I don't have faith in this government, or any Islamist entity that claims to want to counter Israel. If you want to beat Israel you need to beat them at their own game, have air superiority, be a more educated, more serious country than them. You can't just brute force them like the Axis or Arabs tried.
Islamists, Secularists, Kemalists etc.... all are traitors and all are doing the US's bidding
The only thing you do is to chose the one who gives Turkey the most possible benefits rn. What Erdogan is doing around Damascus and Homs is 100% in Turkey's favour
Iran was everywhere across Syria, Lebanon and had its fingers all the way into Palestine. We seen how that ended. I'm sorry to say but from the outside, Türkiye looks like it's falling into the same trap.
Do you know why Iran fell even though it spread throughout Syria?
It is because they didnt have the people's support.
Syria is a predominantly Sunni muslim state at a staggering (85%) which is in opposition to Shia Iran and Shia Assad govt. In order for the Iranian influence to persist, the Assad govt and Iran did the unthinkable to the local sunni population.

Turkey on the other hand is a major sunni state whom the Syrian people loves and support. In other words, the heart of the people is with Turkey and this makes it harder for Turkey to lose in Syria since unlike Assad and Iran that ruled through fear, Turkey is trying to show to the Syrians that it is ruling through friendship and brotherhood

Why on earth do you think Erdo refused to deport the Syrians even though Turkish public sentiment was against them since 2018 and political parties accross the whole right-left spectrum like the CHP and Zafer supported their deportation?

Now Turkey is slowly reaping the benefits of enduring the Syrian refugees for the past 10 years and this is reflected by how Turkey is the most loved nation by the Syrians rn and can literally do a lot of things that is normally impossible to do while having majority public support
If tomorrow Israel decides to attack, and Türkiye does an Iranian style "retaliation", all you Islamists on here need to answer some bloody questions.
This isnt about Islamists or any other form of governance but how much are you willing to sacrifice to get what you want

You need to understand that for Israel to thrive and be safe, all nations in the region must be plunged to chaos and this includes Turkey and this has been Israel's modus operandi for the past 4-5 decades

The primary aim of the Zionist-funded PKK was to create havoc and discord within Turkey and now they are about to lose such a potent card; thus, Israel is willing to fight tooth and nail to protect this card even if it meant fighting Turkey. Turkey on the other hand, was never so close to getting rid of the PKK, from controlling the supply lines that Assad used to finance/supp,y the PKK to attacking the PKK in Iraq. The PKK is being encircled and Israel doesnt like that.

Thus, it is now a fight to see who is ready to sacrifice the most to get what it wants; Israel to protect the PKK and ensure that Syria remains broken for the sake of Israel's internal security or Turkey's desire to end the PKK, install a pro-Turkey regime for the first time in 50+ years and strengthen Syria in order to act as a buffer zone against threats for the sake of Turkey's internal security
 
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You are assuming that we will take action against Israel,we wont so your assessment is wrong.
As long as Israel dont harm Turkish troops one way or another, then I think Turkey wont act and this is why they are trying to prevent Turkey from going to T4.

However, if Turkish troops got hurt, then I think Turkey will respond

From recent reports, it seems that Turkey doesnt give a f**k and is planning to take T4 and Palmyra whether Israel likes it or not
 

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As long as Israel dont harm Turkish troops one way or another, then I think Turkey wont act and this is why tney are trying to prevent Turkey from going to T4

However, if Turkish troops got hurt, then I think Turkey will respond

To respond properly, we need long Range Strike Capabillities. Now we only posses some Tayfuns. In Februar a Tayfun SRBM with an expected Range up to 800 km was tested, enough to hit Targets deep in Israel. The Question is how many of these Missile are in TSK Invertory.

Kara Atmaca is also not in Service and for Gezgin will will maybe have to wait some Years. There are also no Informations if Kargi anti radiation UCAV have entered TSK Invertory.
 

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As long as Israel dont harm Turkish troops one way or another, then I think Turkey wont act and this is why they are trying to prevent Turkey from going to T4.

However, if Turkish troops got hurt, then I think Turkey will respond

From recent reports, it seems that Turkey doesnt give a f**k and is planning to take T4 and Palmyra whether Israel likes it or not
The killed many Turkish citizens (Mavi Marmara issue), without any consequences. This time, they could pay a heavy price. And not only Israelis are legit targets.
 

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What are the reasons to broke international law? Because I can? Because nobody could stop me? Because I am protected by a mighty „friend“?…

I say not it's right for Israel to broke the international Law !

On the other Side which Capabillities have Turkey to Stop Israel ?

Only Tayfuns, some Hisar and one Battery Siper and S-400, were we rely on Russian approval ?

Anka-3 and Kizilelma still not entered Service, there is no Fighter Aircraft in TurAF Invertory with AESA Radar.

No ALBM comparable to Air LORA, no LACM, SRBM Invertory in built up Phase and no MRBM.

Since a short Time we produce the KTJ-3200 Engines for SOM, before we had TRI-40 and this limited the Range to 250 - 300 km. To Strike Targets deep in Israel from Safe Distance we need 500 km Range !
 

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