Military Operations Syria

Ryder · Apr 5, 2025

contricusc said:
Isn’t your first part of the post exactly what Israel wants when you say they want to bait Turkey to attack them?

”Give them the 2015 Russian treatment” means downing one of their jets, which for Israel would be enough to justify any ulterior aggression.

Russian jet violated turkish airspace. Got what it deserved.

But the pilot thrown into jail to appease putin.

Saithan · Apr 5, 2025

It's a situation that isn't good. But unlike Russia and USA we can't just do things and announce them afterwards.

Who here wouldn't have wanted to fully equip Palmyra base before announcing it.

Unfortunately both east and west is against us, so we have to play with open cards and win. The hard way.

Really sucks not to have any friends nearby though.

We need 400-500 combat jets and then drones and other shit imo. Modern ones.

And I can't believe they did not relocate any useful old sovjet jets from syria

Agha Sher · Apr 5, 2025

Saithan said:
It's a situation that isn't good. But unlike Russia and USA we can't just do things and announce them afterwards.

Who here wouldn't have wanted to fully equip Palmyra base before announcing it.

Unfortunately both east and west is against us, so we have to play with open cards and win. The hard way.

Really sucks not to have any friends nearby though.

We need 400-500 combat jets and then drones and other shit imo. Modern ones.

And I can't believe they did not relocate any useful old sovjet jets from syria

Believe it or not, the destruction of Syria's existing equipment is a blessing in disguise. Turkey and Syria can now focus on developing a truly modern and professional force from a blank sheet. No resources will need to be dedicated to keep useless Russian jets/air defence/EW operational. It is obvious for everyone that within the next 10-15 years, Israel will be at the mercy of the Turks. The US is fading away, and Turkiye will be the ONLY regional power of significance. This is why Israel and some of the arab are hellbent on containing Turkiye today.

As an American geopolitical expert said about the future of the region. The US will increasingly isolate itself and withdraw from Europe, ME and Africa. Israel will have few options left to secure its existence in a hostile region. Of these option only the guardianship of Turkiye is viable for them. Nor France or the UK will have the means to keep Turkiye away from harming Israel, so the israelis will have to one way or another make amends with Turkiye. The current idiotic leadership of israel fails to see this and they are hellbent to end their own existence in the near future.

Sanchez · Apr 5, 2025

Agha Sher said:
Turkey and Syria can now focus on developing a truly modern and professional force from a blank sheet.

With what money? We don't have enough budget for our own needs in the first place. Syria doesn't have access to capital as it's still sanctioned by US and they are hungry for oil coming from the east.

Agha Sher · Apr 5, 2025

Sanchez said:
With what money? We don't have enough budget for our own needs in the first place. Syria doesn't have access to capital as it's still sanctioned by US and they are hungry for oil coming from the east.

Sanctions will be removed and they do have some oil and gas reserves under their control. In the near future, the PKK problem will be dealt with and they’ll get control over all the oil. in the medium-term, their pre-war industrial base will be revived and their economy will boom.

of course, they will not afford a large military in the next 5-10 years, but a small professional force with a punch is possible.

KhanOfEurasia · Apr 5, 2025

Most of the Syrian Oil Reserves are located within the YPG Area, this Area need to be liberatet and united with Syria again !

KhanOfEurasia · Apr 5, 2025

There is a group that approaches the T4 Air Base issue from a perspective influenced by populist posts. I would like to share my opinion on T4 in detail for them.

Please read this post carefully.

T4 Air Base is located almost equidistant from the Turkish and Israeli borders, approximately 200 kilometers. In other words, it is located at the tip of a triangle.

Now, there are posts stating that we will deploy an air defense battery on this base. I believe that this will not happen, and that only KORKUT, EH/ED and MANPAD-based anti-UAV systems will be deployed. There are also statements from security sources indicating that air defense batteries will not be deployed at this stage.

So, why?

How did Israel attack Iran? With air-launched ballistic missiles with a range of several hundred kilometers. In fact, some of these fell in Iraq.

Does Türkiye currently have an Anti-Ballistic Missile? No. Israel did have one, so what happened? It intercepted a significant portion of the ballistic missiles fired by Iran, but the ballistic missiles still hit the Nevatim Air Base where the F-35s were stationed.
There is a group that approaches the T4 Air Base issue from a perspective influenced by populist posts. I would like to share my opinion on T4 in detail for them.

Please read this post carefully.

T4 Air Base is located almost equidistant from the Turkish and Israeli borders, approximately 200 kilometers. In other words, it is located at the tip of a triangle.

Now, there are posts stating that we will deploy an air defense battery on this base. I believe that this will not happen, and that only KORKUT, EH/ED and MANPAD-based anti-UAV systems will be deployed. There are also statements from security sources indicating that air defense batteries will not be deployed at this stage.

So, why?

How did Israel attack Iran? With air-launched ballistic missiles with a range of several hundred kilometers. In fact, some of these fell in Iraq.

Does Türkiye currently have an Anti-Ballistic Missile? No. Israel did have one, so what happened? It intercepted a significant portion of the ballistic missiles fired by Iran, but the ballistic missiles still hit the Nevatim Air Base where the F-35s were stationed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908555939667386447

A good Explaination by Anil Sahin about the Situation with the Bases in Syria.

contricusc · Apr 5, 2025

Ryder said:
Russian jet violated turkish airspace. Got what it deserved.

I don’t deny that, but imagine if you would do the same to an Israeli jet, what the response would be. Israel is not Russia. Israel has a super powerful air force, as well as the unconditional backing of the US, which means NATO protection is meaningless against them.

Israel always responds with a disproportionate pummeling, in order to discourage any aggressive action against them. So if you down one of their jets, they will have to inflict more damage to you than a single jet. And then what? If you do nothing, everyone will see it as a humiliation. If you respond, than there will be even more escalation and the US will start the sanction games.

You can’t win against Israel, especially during Trump’s term.

Ryder said:
But the pilot thrown into jail to appease putin.

Didn’t know about that, but if this is true, it is awful. This is the reward your warriors get for defending their country? Really sad.

Sanchez · Apr 5, 2025

BaburKhan said:
A good Explaination by Anil Sahin about the Situation with the Bases in Syria.

No, not at all. He's clueless.

contricusc · Apr 5, 2025

Agha Sher said:
It is obvious for everyone that within the next 10-15 years, Israel will be at the mercy of the Turks. The US is fading away, and Turkiye will be the ONLY regional power of significance.

Do you actually believe what you just wrote? The US will not be gone in 15 years, and it will still be able to project power in the Middle East. This means that Israel will remain the biggest power in the region, since it will be able to do whatever it wants while nobody has the courage to retaliate.

If a country in the region is aggressive towards Israel, it will be destroyed economically first, and if necessary, also militarily. Look at Syria, Lebanon and Iran. Do you want to become a new Iran? I don’t think so.

KhanOfEurasia · Apr 5, 2025

Sanchez said:
No, not at all. He's clueless.

How do you mean ? In which Aspects ?

Saithan · Apr 5, 2025

He's just assuming no one will harm our troops in that base, which is pretty baseless considering Russia killed 33 of our soldiers, but RTE attacked Assad to exact revenge and did nothing to Russia. RTE has been spotting licking his own spit ever since coming to office.

Sanchez · Apr 5, 2025

BaburKhan said:
How do you mean ? In which Aspects ?

It's the camel story basically.

His premise is wrong, for starters. Israel didn't just use ALBMs against Iran. They used everything from small drones to kill Haniyeh to cruise missiles and ALBMs. F-35s may or may not have flew all the way to Zagros mountains or not, we do not know. There is nothing to suggest Israel only used ALBMs against Iran and they would only ALBMs against a possible base in Syria. They have 2 squadrons of F-35s. They can literally loiter over the base unhampered, jam our own EW equipment and strike any targets they deem a threat.

His retelling of Iran's air attacks against Israel are leaving much to be desired. Iran sent more than 200 missiles against Israel in the october attack, about 20 to 30 of which struck ground in Nevatim, Tel Nof and Tel Aviv. To achieve this 85% interception rate, Israel used multiple Arrow 3, Davids Sling batteries, US navy ships off the coast and had real time intelligence sharing by US satellites and ships in the Basra Gulf. It was the first ever case of modern ABM systems in action. History was made that night. And we have nothing like it as he adds.

But, his premise is still wrong. Israel doesn't have to use ballistic missiles to strike a Turkish base in Syria. It somehow reads as "we can't defend against it anyway, why bother, we should on the contrary, place offensive weapons that can reach Israel." Dismissing the very real notion that those same offensive weapons will also be in the crosshairs of every US satellite and the F-35s we can't see coming from 100kms away. Why would we put very expensive weapons in a place we can't defend, in an area that is not covered by Article 5 in the first place, telling the other side that "yes, we are fucking retards that can't defend ourselves against you but here are some 10 ballistic missiles that I will aim at you that you will very likely intercept anyway." Where is the sense in this, apart from making hundreds of soldiers very clear targets.

We are not US, we don't have nukes. There is history of others actually striking us and us doing nothing or doing very little in return in Libya and in Syria.

If we are going to escalate, we should do so smartly at our own terms, not idiotically at theirs.

GoatsMilk · Apr 6, 2025

Agha Sher said:
Believe it or not, the destruction of Syria's existing equipment is a blessing in disguise. Turkey and Syria can now focus on developing a truly modern and professional force from a blank sheet. No resources will need to be dedicated to keep useless Russian jets/air defence/EW operational. It is obvious for everyone that within the next 10-15 years, Israel will be at the mercy of the Turks. The US is fading away, and Turkiye will be the ONLY regional power of significance. This is why Israel and some of the arab are hellbent on containing Turkiye today.

As an American geopolitical expert said about the future of the region. The US will increasingly isolate itself and withdraw from Europe, ME and Africa. Israel will have few options left to secure its existence in a hostile region. Of these option only the guardianship of Turkiye is viable for them. Nor France or the UK will have the means to keep Turkiye away from harming Israel, so the israelis will have to one way or another make amends with Turkiye. The current idiotic leadership of israel fails to see this and they are hellbent to end their own existence in the near future.

When we say Isreal, we have to be honest with ourselves. We are talking about the extension of Anglo-American power and their lessor European lackeys etc. Having the power to defeat Isreal alone is not enough, you need to have the power to curtail the influence and strength of her backers.

Cyprus is a good example of what i mean. Cyprus does not hold anywhere near the same value that Isreal holds to the west but its still important in controlling and influencing the eastern med and also gives a nation great power to project in the levant.

As we know the Greek cypriots under their Christian orthodox leadership started a campaign to exterminate the Muslim Turks on the island. It went on for 10 years and every step of the way Turkiye was threateneded and intimidated by nations such as the US, UK, France, Russia not to do anything. It took 10 years to act and the Turks swiftly crushed the Fanatical Christian Greeks. Since then nothing but peace on the island, but its been 50 years and the south has not only been recognised but it was admitted into the EU. The north remains unrecognised.

Turks had the power to defeat the greek enemy and her influence was important enough and big enough that neither the US or the Soviets intervened against us. Yet we still don't have the influence to make the world recognise the north.

If the Ummah is to weak and to cowardly to even recognise the Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus in fear that they anger the white man, its foolish to think that today Isreal can be defeated.

For Turks to win this game its going to take another 50 to 100 years. With incremental gains expanding Turkish influence outwards and constant technological progression.

When we look at Syria, it was Turkiyes own development of armed drones and her revolutionary use of them that saved the Syrian opposition. Today that opposition administers the nation. Its an example of an incremental gain. It will have to be this way for the next 50 years at least.

mTT · Apr 6, 2025

To send a clear message to Turkey, the Israeli Air Force carried out a series of bombings that completely destroyed the T-4 airport and its contents, preventing its use for a long time. While Turkey can rebuild these airports, the destruction was primarily intended to signal to Ankara that Israel would not allow such actions.

Israel, Turkey ponder how to split Syria into spheres of influence until stable governance takes hold

Analysis: As Israel and Turkey vie for influence in post-Assad Syria, tensions rise over military and economic ambitions; While Israel seeks to counter Turkey's growing presence, both nations explore mediated agreements to divide control until Syria stabilizes

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