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can it be? :devilish:no a bit early I guess! my bet is on MRAShM

It was said, composite version of SOM was in development.

As a comparison, JSM and NSM both have composite airframes.
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With NSM even having serrated edges around the inlet
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Usage of more widespread composite materials in all missiles and rockets is taking place. This is resulting in substantial decrease in weight, hence longer ranges and/or more explosives. As per @boracetkin ‘s post, SOM already has composite parts which together with a low observable geometry, imparts it stealthy characteristics.
But during the latest work done on the development of SOM-J more composite materials were used. This together with the improvements made in engine lubrication system as mentioned in @Bogeyman ’s post #2423 , resulted in much longer ranges being realised.
 

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@Anmdt out of blue but how close ATMACA may be to HARPON block 2 capabilities especialy in regard to track-while-scan algorithms improving increased Target selectivity and lower area of uncertinty ?​

 
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@Anmdt out of blue but how close ATMACA may be to HARPON block 2 capabilities especialy in regard to track-while-scan algorithms improving increased Target selectivity and lower area of uncertinty ?​

As anyone can predict, the seeker of Atmaca was separately evaluated via simulations and lab tests on those aspects. There has been a threshold for acceptance and tests have continued until it was satisfied. However, it is hard to compare these parameters with Harpoon's, because open-source data was not available for Harpoon back then and these parameters were jointly concluded with the Navy and Aselsan (based on some knowledge of the existing missiles).

Target selectivity and uncertainty are matters to be mature by time (as the libraries), especially the uncertainty is easily affected by environmental conditions and takes time to mature. Working on IIR and RF + IIR is one of the reasons for that.

But one may expect, Harpoon a missile that has been tested for decades in various of environmental conditions (sea-stated, humidity, temperature) and EW conditions has some advantages over that due to the fine-tuning. Atmaca will fully mature in few years as TN keeps live exercises.
 

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BTW KTJ-3200 and Arat are very similar. Rather than a new engine, i would say, it is an iteration of KTJ-3200.
 

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Yep, would love to see it more in action. Too bad it doesn't sell as well as the TB-2.
It was designed as conventional UAV .. so its bigger .. and has more RCS than tb2 and of course more expensive .. so tb2 is a different category .. and unique .. ANKA is designed to do the normal missions of an uav .. like surveillance .. counter terrorism and border security .. and its better than tb2 at this regard
 

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I categorically reject OMGFS as a "new product" as the first tweet has claimed. It is important but the hype deserves something new, unknown.
What does the navy think about OMGFS?
I think it’s more groundbreaking and dangerous than Atmaca. Given enough fuel it may reach Atmaca ranges and can be hosted by smaller platforms, may be launched en masse from VLS & airborne & land& small vessels … the engine can power other types of missiles with this diameter and radical new uses for the engine can be found in other types of munition.
 

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What does the navy think about OMGFS?
I think it’s more groundbreaking and dangerous than Atmaca. Given enough fuel it may reach Atmaca ranges and can be hosted by smaller platforms, may be launched en masse from VLS & airborne & land& small vessels … the engine can power other types of missiles with this diameter and radical new uses for the engine can be found in other types of munition.
Turkish Navy likes Penguin, in fact even attempted to get an upgrade kit for aged Penguins to keep them active (however konsberg hasn't supplied any). They will definitely love the OMGFS. Longer range, better seeker, better engine, in a lower diameters, these are good bonuses.

It doesn't need to reach ranges of the Atmaca, made to be carried by light platforms and possibly will be on par with NSM, it is a plus feature to be launched from Helicopters, UAVs and USVs thanks to its lower diameter and lower weight (thus the lower warhead). The canisters will also be smaller than NSM (Roketsan is working on a new canister- launcher specially for this).
 

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