TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[I_Love_F16]

Yeah I think he mixed up the names. ~ 100 Km for Gokdogan and ~ 20 Km for Bozdogan.

 

[Huelague]

If Gökdoğan Fox-2 matches AIM-120B in range, then it is the longest ranged WVR missile in existence. Longer than the Sidewinders, longer than the MICA.
If its high off-boresight capabilities are on par with AIM-9X's, then it would be one hell of a beast

The new preference are the 'Peregrin' missile. More range, agile and much smaller.

 

[TheInsider]

The effective range of Bozdoğan approaches AIM-120B there is no error in his tweet. Bozdoğan(140kg) has an effective range of around 35 km. AIM-120B(152kg) has an operational range of 50km. There is not a single example where AIM-120B hit a target 50km away.

Ballistic range(useless)>Operational range(useless)>Effective range>NEZ (No escape zone)

The longest-range kill ever recorded with an AIM-120C5/C7 is only 45km (Turkish F-16 downed Syrian L-39 Albatros). AIM-120C5/C7 has an operational range of around 100km.

 

[Heartbang]

Bro, AIM-120B is 50km. MICA is 60km.

The effective range of Bozdoğan approaches AIM-120B there is no error in his tweet. Bozdoğan(140kg) has an effective range of around 35 km. AIM-120B(152kg) has an operational range of 50km. There is not a single example where AIM-120B hit a target 50km away.

Ballistic range(useless)>Operational range(useless)>Effective range>NEZ (No escape zone)

The longest-range kill ever recorded with an AIM-120C5/C7 is only 45km (Turkish F-16 downed Syrian L-39 Albatros). AIM-120C5/C7 has an operational range of around 100km.

I got the 120B's range info from this site:

ΑΙΜ-120 B, C-5, C-7 (ΑΜRΑΑΜ) - Hellenic Air Force

The official Hellenic Air Force website

www.haf.gr

Serves me right. I won't use this kind of unreliable sources ever again

 

[Afif]

I got the 120B's range info from this site:

ΑΙΜ-120 B, C-5, C-7 (ΑΜRΑΑΜ) - Hellenic Air Force

The official Hellenic Air Force website

www.haf.gr

Serves me right. I won't use this kind of unreliable sources ever again

Bro, it could be that.

But the thing is, for IIR missile like bozdogan I am not sure of the seeker would survive the heating beyond 60km. For example, MICA RF has range up to 80km but IIR variant's range limited to 60km because of its seeker.

Anyway, 50/60km would an insane range for gokdogan already.

 

[Heartbang]

But the thing is, for IIR missile like bozdogan I am not sure of the seeker would survive the heating beyond 60km.

35 nautical mile is 64 something kilometers. Shouldn't make that much of a difference.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1641026804684029953

The first ATMACA anti-ship missiles were integrated into TCG Kınalıada in February. The ships will operate with ATMACA and HARPOON Block II missiles.

 

[Afif]

It is just exhausting to see, how long these systems can take from first test firing to reach combat readiness and active deployment.

Hoping to see Atmaca deployed on BN ships in the near future.

 

[Fairon]

It is just exhausting to see, how long these systems can takes from first test firing to reach combat readiness and active deployment.

Hoping to see Atmaca deployed on BN ships in the near future.

Getting active deployement approval for ships probably takes longer than usual.

When you have 4-8 missiles(for Ada class) and no immediate reload option(you need to make port to reload) you really want to make sure that your missiles work. Especially when you want to replace allready proven missile.

But yes starting the tests mean you reach halfway through the project and not the end. It really is exhausting even though you knew that it takes time. I guess when you see the project materialized the wait became extra painfull

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir announced that the unit price of the GÖKDOĞAN Missile is over 1 million dollars.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642471923249561602

 

[I_Love_F16]

Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir announced that the unit price of the GÖKDOĞAN Missile is over 1 million dollars.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642471923249561602

So more or less the price of an AMRAAM.

 

[Afif]

So more or less the price of an AMRAAM.

For US Air force yes, but when they export it they charge 3/4 millions or whatever they like.

 

[Sanchez]

For Turkey's last AIM-120 purchase in 2014, as per the DSCA logs,

a possible sale of 145 AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), 10 missile guidance sections, and 40 LAU-129 launchers, containers, support equipment, spare and repair parts, integration activities, publications and technical documentation, test equipment, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor logistics, engineering and technical support, and other related elements or logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $320 million.

Turkey – AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM Missiles | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

Excluding the support equipment and further training, should be about 2 mil a piece?

While for the 2008 sale of 107 C-7s, it was $107 million at about 1.4 mil a piece.

United States to sell Turkey air-to-air missiles

The United States is planning to sell a new shipment of powerful AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, worth $157 million, to the Turkish Air Force, the Pentagon has...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642481859647926274

TRG-230 with a range of 70 normally can reach 140km+ when fired from Akinci, as the TRG type rockets use most of their fuel in the initial launching.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Okumuş:

• TÜBİTAK SAGE has been working for a long time to eliminate surface heating problems such as aerodynamic heating encountered in high-speed missiles.In particular, high temperature resistant composite coatings minimize the effect of heating encountered in missiles, thanks to their ablative properties.
• All of the materials and processes used in these studies were developed at TÜBİTAK SAGE and can be produced at TÜBİTAK SAGE, regardless of abroad.
• Within the scope of activities that started in 2018, ramjet engine prototypes were produced for supersonic missiles of different sizes and ground tests were carried out with the prototypes produced.
• Ramjet engine technology (especially integrated rocket ramjet propulsion system technology) has been identified as the most important technological obstacle to the development of tactical missile systems capable of cruising at supersonic speeds, and it was planned to eliminate this technological obstacle before starting the development of such missiles.
• Many of the technological obstacles in areas such as aerothermodynamics, material and fuel supply have been solved in the development, production and testing of these engines and in the development of engines that can be used in missile systems traveling at supersonic speeds.
• The aim of the Ramjet engine development is the development of jet engines that will propel the missiles with supersonic cruise capability, which are still ongoing and planned in the near future."

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Okumuş about Trisonic wind tunnel:

• We named our tunnel TÜBİTAK SAGE Trisonic Tunnel –TSTT. TSTT is a blown-type wind tunnel that will allow us to derive aerodynamic data with high precision at the lowest 0.2 times the speed of sound (0.2 mach), and the highest at supersonic speeds, subsonic, sound transition and supersonic speeds.
• The test chamber is 1.5m x 1.5m in size, there are only 2 other blown type tunnels of this size in the world, ours will be the third.
• We can say that it will be the most advanced tunnel in the world. The designs of all aerodynamic and mechanical equipment of the tunnel have been completed.
• We will start the Factory Acceptance Tests for the Compressor and Air Conditioning System within the next month. The works for the transportation of our infrastructures in the field and the supply of the needed electricity have come to an end.
• We aim to make the first blowing of the tunnel at the end of 2024 and to put it into service after qualification.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Okumuş about Hypersonic missile and Scramjet programs:

• Studies on propulsion systems (Scramjet), which is currently considered to be the biggest challenge in the development of hypersonic missile systems, started within TÜBİTAK SAGE in recent years.
• As of the stage we have reached, the development and testing activities of test engines at the laboratory level continue.
• In addition, studies are carried out on high temperature resistant ceramic materials, nano-doped composite materials, insulation and coating technologies (coatings such as thermal barrier, ablative) needed in hypersonic missile systems.

Thanks Hande Fırat

Akıllı füzelerin beynine girdik! Gökdoğan ve Bozdoğan’da testler bitmek üzere

Hava-hava ve hava füzeleri, seyir füzeleri, İHA mühimmatları, termobarik mühimmatlar, sığınak delici mühimmatlar ve güdüm kitleri, sonik füzeler belli bir...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

 

[dBSPL]

Bro, it could be that.

But the thing is, for IIR missile like bozdogan I am not sure of the seeker would survive the heating beyond 60km. For example, MICA RF has range up to 80km but IIR variant's range limited to 60km because of its seeker.

Anyway, 50/60km would an insane range for gokdogan already.

Vympel R-27ET? (Effective kill range: Up to 55 km head-on, up to 12.5 tail-on. Maximum range: +100 km. Maximum allowed vertical separation: 12 km.) Infrared mode can be activated at the visible contact stage.

This is extraordinarily good news. It shows the intent to acquire some kind of BVR infrared missile. These missiles will be carried in the side missile sections of the MMU. The enlargement of these weapons compartments and the huge IRST in front of the aircraft canopy foreshadowed something. If this new type of BVR IIR missile can be guided to IIR contact without activating the aircraft's radar, for example by AWACS radar, this missile could be the most dangerous air-to-air munition in this part of the world.

 

[monsteroftfx]

 

[TheInsider]

Roketsan Triple IIR (SWIR-MWIR-LWIR) seeker patent. Application date 26.11.2020

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portal.turkpatent.gov.tr

Roketsan HNIW+HMX, HNIW+TNT cocrystallization patent. Application date 04.07.2022

https://portal.turkpatent.gov.tr/anonim/arastirma/patent/sonuc/dosya?patentAppNo=2022/011033&documentsTpye=all