TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[sh. Abdj]

500 tons is a lot. It is enough for thousands of warheads.

Mk84 general purpose bombs have 429kg explosive payload. Mostly TNT is used as the explosive but H-6 explosive is also used when higher explosive power is required.

%45.1 of H-6 explosive is RDX
500000kg of RDX is enough to produce 2583 Mk84 bombs with H-6 explosive.
H-6 is 1.35x times more powerful than TNT.

Isreal use this amount in less than a month sometimes. This will not be enough in an intense war. The production needs to be several times more. As it can be used in other warheads as well.

 

[Kaan Azman]

During IDEF25, we learnt that Tayfun Block 3 is the long one measuring 8 m in length but same diameter with the baseline version. (Then what is Tayfun Block 2?)

 

[boredaf]

During IDEF25, we learnt that Tayfun Block 3 is the long one measuring 8 m in length but same diameter with the baseline version. (Then what is Tayfun Block 2?) View attachment 76664

Friends we made along the way?

 

[Huelague]

Isreal use this amount in less than a month sometimes. This will not be enough in an intense war. The production needs to be several times more. As it can be used in other warheads as well.

We do not want to start mass destruction or genocide.

 

[TheInsider]

Isreal use this amount in less than a month sometimes. This will not be enough in an intense war. The production needs to be several times more. As it can be used in other warheads as well.

No. Israel doesn't have such production capabilities. Most of the time MK series bombs are filled with TNT explosive (%80 TNT %20 aluminum powder). Overwhelming majority of Israel's MK84 are TNT filled ammunution similar to Turkish MK series bombs. I gave H-6 explosive filling as a means of comparison. Finally MKE will have 500 tons of RDX production, ASSAN has another 500 in GEPAT facilities, Roketsan has its own facilities and "Ahlatçı Savunma" is building a recently announced new factory in Çorum province. BTW, Turkiye has its own end-to-end production line solution from reactor to automation for explosives like TNT, RDX, HMX.

A Turkish firm is building TNT factory in the US.

Türk Şirket ABD'de TNT Fabrikası Kuracak! | SavunmaSanayiST

Türkiye merkezli savunma sanayi şirketi REPKON, ABD Ordusu için stratejik bir adım olarak görülen TNT üretim tesisini kurma ihalesini kazandı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Israel is a big importer of RDX. Defense industry of Israel has a big weakness. It requires import of raw materials to function. Steel, copper, chemicals, explosives Israel lacks every raw material.

Israel Bound Ship Unloads 8 Containers With 150,000 Kg RDX Explosives At Alexandria Port

Marine Insight - The maritime industry guide.

www.marineinsight.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842272177556496658

 

[TheInsider]

During IDEF25, we learnt that Tayfun Block 3 is the long one measuring 8 m in length but same diameter with the baseline version. (Then what is Tayfun Block 2?) View attachment 76664

Really interesting. So the baseline block 1 version is probably the one that hit a target 561km away this one probably has a 600km range. The lenghtened block 3 announced as a 800km range missile. Block 4 unveiled at IDEF is a completely different missile, block 2 is unknown, we can speculate as rumored anti-ship ballistic missile.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Maybe it's not yet ready i mean a decent intelligence service would already know about it so whats the point of keeping it from the public and they should have given it a new name

 

[Turkic]

Maybe it's not yet ready

Tayfun block 2 and 3 are classified and won't be announced or unveiled. The sources I reached say they are in the inventory.

 

[Kaan Azman]

If Block 3 is just a longer Block 1, then why didn't they exhibit that too? Like what is the secret of it? Doesn't make sense to me.

Did they exhibit Block 1? Nope

This is what ROKETSAN officials said, adding that it was used in the test against sea target

Maybe because we have already seen it on video

 

[Yasar_TR]

Afaik they said it won't be sold to anyone

If a missile has a range more than 300km and can carry explosives more than 500kg, you are not supposed to sell it under MTCR (missile technology control regime) rules.

 

[Pokemonte13]

i just want to see gezgin and siper block 3. If block 3 is supposed to go into service in 28 we would need test atleast this year. You know anything?

TheInsider​

 

[Kaan Azman]

MTCR is kind of a joke at this point, in a world where the US has started handing out Tomahawks like they are oranges in the grocery

But hey, it is still on the table as a potential card to be used against Turkiye because they try their best to even catch a fly if it will get us in some trouble.

This is why you see ROKETSAN designating Tayfun's range as 280 km even though we all know this is not the case. (Let's add Kara Atmaca with 400+ km range but designated as 280 km anyway too)

 

[TheInsider]

i just want to see gezgin and siper block 3. If block 3 is supposed to go into service in 28 we would need test atleast this year. You know anything?

TheInsider​

Siper 3 first delivery in low number/LRIP won't happen before the end of 2028.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Siper 3 first delivery in low number/LRIP won't happen before the end of 2028.

that i know but i mean has it been tested at least. i saw a new siper missile in an interview with tübitak a month ago

 

[Yasar_TR]

The MTCR is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.

MTCR is kind of a joke at this point, in a world where the US has started handing out Tomahawks like it is orange in the manav

Same US, however, will impose sanctions if you contradict this regime agreement and even sell technology or parts contrary to MTCR.
It is a tough world with too much hypocrisy. India, a non NATO member buys one s400 after another and is not sanctioned. In fact offered f35s. We, an ally NATO member are thrown out of f35 program and sanctioned.

There is a different rule book for every country. It is written by the strong so that they can bully the weaker.

 

[Pokemonte13]

remember this

 

[TheInsider]

that i know but i mean has it been tested at least. i saw a new siper missile in an interview with tübitak a month ago

I doubt any serious tests have happened. Some subsystem tests might be in progress. Aselsan will deliver the seeker of Siper 3 in 2028. Even if Aselsan delivers an early prototype no serious tests can be done before 2027. Ballistic tests with telemetry can be done in 2026&2027.

 

[Samba]

I am glad we were aware what we are miasing in terms of missiles and ammunitions and took necessary steps in that regard. Now we are collecting fruits

 

[Pokemonte13]

Kale was already producing jet engines in the hundreds said in an interview last year i believe with savunmasanayist this likely to increase production to 4 digit numbers

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

@TheInsider Is Tayfun-4 a proper Hypersonic missile or not? Heard some people on voicechat on X saying it's not. What do you think?