TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Anmdt]

If a SINKEX is organized in the Black Sea, with the a large ship being hit first by the sea-skimming Atmaca-K and then sunk by the Tayfun, it will turn the entire Greek agenda upside down for months.

Tayfun is a surprise factor, i don't think they will make show with that. It will be done in the exercise but likely won't be shown or spoken about. They have done it before, they conducted a test in Sinop that took part in videos and such, and then few hours later they have conducted another test after all reporters and foreign representatives left. That's why, actually some NOTAM in Sinop - Black Sea were related to more than one test.

 

[Radonsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583089256897347584

 

[Radonsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583089256897347584

I wonder if Tayfun can avoid going too much into space and use earths curvature against enemy radars?

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583089256897347584

It would be fantastic if this calculation is realistic

 

[bisbis]

I wonder if Tayfun can avoid going too much into space and use earths curvature against enemy radars?

The Türk mind, which attaches an electronic jam pod to the drones, can also attach a radar jammer to the Tayfun missile.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583089256897347584

This calculation is totally wrong. We know that Bora and it’s derivatives are quasi ballistic missiles.
Yes, in order to travel around 660 km in total and achieve an average speed of 4.3 Mach, this missile flies well in to hypersonic speeds in most of it’s trajectory. But towards the end of it’s mid course flight it loses a lot of momentum and slows down and dives towards earth gaining speed. But as all free falling masses it is subject to Terminal Velocity laws. It’s terminal speed, hence, is governed mainly by it’s weight and it’s shape ( aerodynamic structure related drag coefficient - please see below constants)
We can do a little calculation as well by assuming few parameters:
-let us say empty weight of missile is 1750kg.
-drag coefficient of missile is 0.1 (assuming missile is diving at 90 degrees
-Air density value is 1.2 kg/m3
-diameter of missile squared is 0.36
then the terminal velocity of the missile is 890 m/s = 2.6 Mach

If we can increase the empty weight to say 2250kg and reduce the missile drag coefficient to 0.05 ,
Terminal velocity becomes 1430m/sec = 4.2Mach
It is due to Terminal Velocity that you can have a person with special suit jumping from near stratosphere, gaining speed and travelling at near supersonic speeds until he hits denser air layers whence his speed decreases below 200 km/hour (belly down) and can thus open a parachute.

 

[Radonsider]

This calculation is totally wrong. We know that Bora and it’s derivatives are quasi ballistic missiles.
Yes, in order to travel around 660 km in total and achieve an average speed of 4.3 Mach, this missile flies well in to hypersonic speeds in most of it’s trajectory. But towards the end of it’s mid course flight it loses a lot of momentum and slows down and dives towards earth gaining speed. But as all free falling masses it is subject to Terminal Velocity laws. It’s terminal speed, hence, is governed mainly by it’s weight and it’s shape ( aerodynamic structure related drag coefficient - please see below constants)
We can do a little calculation as well by assuming few parameters:
-let us say empty weight of missile is 1750kg.
-drag coefficient of missile is 0.1 (assuming missile is diving at 90 degrees
-Air density value is 1.2 kg/m3
-diameter of missile squared is 0.36
then the terminal velocity of the missile is 890 m/s = 2.6 Mach

If we can increase the empty weight to say 2250kg and reduce the missile drag coefficient to 0.05 ,
Terminal velocity becomes 1430m/sec = 4.2Mach
It is due to Terminal Velocity that you can have a person with special suit jumping from near stratosphere, gaining speed and travelling at near supersonic speeds until he hits denser air layers whence his speed decreases below 200 km/hour (belly down) and can thus open a parachute.

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Yeah I forgor it was quasi ballistic

 

[Lool]

@Anmdt @Yasar @TheInsider @Bogeyman et al....

I really dont think that TSK is soo stupid to reveal the missile "by mistake" as indicated by this tweet I do think that it was intentional

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583106835908743168

 

[Radonsider]

@Anmdt @Yasar @TheInsider @Bogeyman et al....

I really dont think that TSK is soo stupid to reveal the missile "by mistake" as indicated by this tweet I do think that it was intentional

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583106835908743168

I wonder why the TEL and canisters don't have test symbols

 

[Anmdt]

This calculation is totally wrong. We know that Bora and it’s derivatives are quasi ballistic missiles.
Yes, in order to travel around 660 km in total and achieve an average speed of 4.3 Mach, this missile flies well in to hypersonic speeds in most of it’s trajectory. But towards the end of it’s mid course flight it loses a lot of momentum and slows down and dives towards earth gaining speed. But as all free falling masses it is subject to Terminal Velocity laws. It’s terminal speed, hence, is governed mainly by it’s weight and it’s shape ( aerodynamic structure related drag coefficient - please see below constants)
We can do a little calculation as well by assuming few parameters:
-let us say empty weight of missile is 1750kg.
-drag coefficient of missile is 0.1 (assuming missile is diving at 90 degrees
-Air density value is 1.2 kg/m3
-diameter of missile squared is 0.36
then the terminal velocity of the missile is 890 m/s = 2.6 Mach

If we can increase the empty weight to say 2250kg and reduce the missile drag coefficient to 0.05 ,
Terminal velocity becomes 1430m/sec = 4.2Mach
It is due to Terminal Velocity that you can have a person with special suit jumping from near stratosphere, gaining speed and travelling at near supersonic speeds until he hits denser air layers whence his speed decreases below 200 km/hour (belly down) and can thus open a parachute.

View attachment 49187

I once added a research paper showing that chamfered tips has less drag in supersonic region. However, that would be hard to find through search function.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I once added a research paper showing that chamfered tips has less drag in supersonic region. However, that would be hard to find through search function.

Correct. Pointed nose of all supersonic jets and missiles are the proof of that.
But in spite of that, the general shapes in that list are still valid for using in calculations.

 

[UkroTurk]

@Anmdt @Yasar @TheInsider @Bogeyman et al....

I really dont think that TSK is soo stupid to reveal the missile "by mistake" as indicated by this tweet I do think that it was intentional

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583106835908743168

For sure there was no leak. They are just pretending as if there was a leak.

The government revealed it having Mitchotakis insulted Erdoğan with the words " Gece gelme , gündüz gel" .
You all know this song and you all understand what Mitchotakis meant.

 

[Zafer]

Quasi ballistic doesn't mean it can not follow a ballistic trajectory.
A rocket can follow a trajectory using its fuel in such a way that it still has fuel at its terminal stage.
This way it can hit the target at maximum speed albeit at the cost of a shorter range.
Speculating.

 

[Baryshx]

@Anmdt @Yasar @TheInsider @Bogeyman et al....

I really dont think that TSK is soo stupid to reveal the missile "by mistake" as indicated by this tweet I do think that it was intentional

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583106835908743168

That's pretty funny. DHA news agency saw him passing by in the early morning? Or did the person shooting the video give it to DHA?

 

[Fighter_35]

Quasi ballistic doesn't mean it can not follow a ballistic trajectory.
A rocket can follow a trajectory using its fuel in such a way that it still has fuel at its terminal stage.
This way it can hit the target at maximum speed albeit at the cost of a shorter range.
Speculating.

Solid fueled ones can not do that!! When you fire a solid rocket engine it empties all the fuel. You may.need a second stage for that!!and a secondary ignition like rockets carrying space vehicles !!

 

[Radonsider]

Solid fueled ones can not do that!! When you fire a solid rocket engine it empties all the fuel. You may.need a second stage for that!!and a secondary ignition like rockets carrying space vehicles !!

i think he is talking about burn rate, it seems like it burns slower (and accelaretes slower) Bora

 

[Fighter_35]

@Anmdt @Yasar @TheInsider @Bogeyman et al....

I really dont think that TSK is soo stupid to reveal the missile "by mistake" as indicated by this tweet I do think that it was intentional

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583106835908743168

Tsk do not share this secret news!! Especially in this critical times . No one wants to be called a terror state etc. like north Korea!!
But I think this was a leak by government trying to get votes!!
By this leak, we may lost our upper hand!! and power of unknown!! if we don't have another missiles powerful and longer range than this tayfun!!
Since all credible countries keep their most powerful ones secretive for enemy surprise!!
So I don't get surprised if akp did this intentionally but not tsk!!

 

[Fighter_35]

i think he is talking about burn rate, it seems like it burns slower (and accelaretes slower) Bora

Nope, he tries to keep range slower but have maximum speed at impact.
But your range will be drastically decrease by this maybe 1/4-1/5 of maximum range.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Tsk do not share this secret news!! Especially in this critical times . No one wants to be called a terror state etc. like north Korea!!
But I think this was a leak by government trying to get votes!!
By this leak, we may lost our upper hand!! and power of unknown!! if we don't have another missiles powerful and longer range than this tayfun!!
Since all credible countries keep their most powerful ones secretive for enemy surprise!!
So I don't get surprised if akp did this intentionally but not tsk!!

If you followed the thread you would understand that the capability of the tayfoon was achieved years ago. If the state leaked the typoon then you can rest assure that its something more capable in the arsenal.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Quasi ballistic doesn't mean it can not follow a ballistic trajectory.
A rocket can follow a trajectory using its fuel in such a way that it still has fuel at its terminal stage.
This way it can hit the target at maximum speed albeit at the cost of a shorter range.
Speculating.

Correct. Ballistic but still suppressed. In fact quasi ballistic missiles still have a somewhat a ballistic trajectory.
To leave fuel for terminal stage it needs to apply a very short range. Not really economical. But at hypersonic terminal speed would almost guarantee a hit.
(If only it would have a reserve tank to use for the terminal stage - a bit like dual pulse).